StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Now when NC took over I thought that the club was in the right hands, he seemed a shrewd character, he took no sh!t but also he seemed to look after the clubs fans. Now, we are fast approaching June and the club have not released prices of Season Tickets, I believe this is going to prove a massive mistake, especially if, as expected Cortese sacks Pardew... as regardless of who is the new manager, the 'feel-good' factor will be wiped out. The club have done nothing to come forward and confirm or deny rumours as to why the club pulled the football programmes on Saturday, if it was an innocent reason, it would have not taken much to give the reasons... I have spoke to a few people who have looked through the programme and none can find an obvious reason in the programme. We have not had any sort of statement from Marcus Liebherr... a simple statement on his thoughts about the season would have done so much for good PR. The club have not stepped forward and rubbished any rumours so far this year. I do not know of a single person who has recieved a personal reply from Cortese about any issues, it seems everything is passed on to Dave Luker. Say what you like about Lowe, he did take time to engage with fans, and if he didn't, he passed it on to Cowan. I can't help feeling that the club is less transparent than when Lowe was in charge... and NO that doesn't mean I am calling for Saints Trust to reform. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 yes but we do sometimes have unrealistic views as to the role of fans. NC doesn't seem to be out to make friends Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I'm guessing Stu, that any press releases will be after the meeting today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I'm guessing Stu, that any press releases will be after the meeting today? Maybe, I would like to know the reason for the delay in Season Tickets... a massive marketing balls up by the club. The season is over now, people tend to forget about football which is bound to affect Season Ticket sales.... and it also reduces the window that they can sell the tickets to new customers. Cortese indeed doesn't seem to want to make friends... as I have said before on here, it's Marcus's club, and he can do with it what the fook he likes, but not having Season Tickets on sale is irritating the fook out of me... we are the only team in the league ( apart from teams in Admin ) that don't have the details I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 ultimately stu, why does that matter? we are fans of the team, it is only a mild interest that we take in other aspects of the club by comparison. it may be irritating, but we've just won the jpt and nearly got into the playoffs, why can't we leave the business side of things to people whose job it is? in the grand scheme of things, is not announcing season tickets (surely something that has been done for a reason rather than to wind you up) a rather small matter? we will get season tickets, they will allow you to go to all of the home matches. same as ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrant Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 On the subject of season tickets, I can understand the delay insomuch that until three weeks ago, it wasn't certain which division we'd be playing in next season. However, common sense would dictate that the club would have been finalising the details for release as soon as we knew one way or the other. As soon as the Carlisle game finished (and Huddersfield had won at Stockport), they should have been preparing to send out renewal forms the following week. As you rightly say, if Pardew goes, the feel-good factor goes with him, which will affect season ticket sales. If they'd released details three weeks ago, they'd have got a lot of early renewals, and then even if they got rid of Pardew, they'd have that money in the bank. All well and good Cortese not being bothered about making friends - that's his lookout - but alienating your customers is something his predecessors were pretty good at, and look how that turned out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketphilly Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Maybe, I would like to know the reason for the delay in Season Tickets... a massive marketing balls up by the club. The season is over now, people tend to forget about football which is bound to affect Season Ticket sales.... and it also reduces the window that they can sell the tickets to new customers. Cortese indeed doesn't seem to want to make friends... as I have said before on here, it's Marcus's club, and he can do with it what the fook he likes, but not having Season Tickets on sale is irritating the fook out of me... we are the only team in the league ( apart from teams in Admin ) that don't have the details I think. Yep, the ST's details not being released is an odd one. Maybe if there is going to be a management change that they feel will be unpopular they may be offering prices as a sweetner (if that makes any sense?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forever a red and white Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 agree to an extent, really a lot of it should be resolved today, who is at the club could well affect the marketing drive. Want to see Pardew stay, think the players would be gutted to see him leave personally. Hopefully all the rumours will be put to bed today and they will finally release the kits for next season too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
once_bitterne Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Still got the hump that they didn't tell you of their pre-season plans then Stooey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 As far as I'm concerned Cortese & Liebherr can fook off... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Still got the hump that they didn't tell you of their pre-season plans then Stooey? Oh yeah, that has really made me get the hump actually, thanks for reminding me. Now as they haven't released them, I am going on a banger rally to Poland instead! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Maybe they are hoping the 'big name' new manager will have us flocking to SMS in our droves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 As far as I'm concerned Cortese & Liebherr can fook off... Did you get a letter today then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaiser Soze Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Did you get a letter today then? No but I'm sure one is round the corner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 As far as I'm concerned Cortese & Liebherr can fook off... i don't think us fans deserve them. we have to be some of the worst fans in football, anybody else would kill to be saved from the brink and been catapulted toward success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paris Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 "Be careful what you pray for " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 i don't think us fans deserve them. we have to be some of the worst fans in football, anybody else would kill to be saved from the brink and been catapulted toward success. We do indeed have some of the most retarded fans in the history of football. This forum is one example. The crowds behaviour before and after the pitch invasion on Saturday is another example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capitalsaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 We do indeed have some of the most retarded fans in the history of football. This forum is one example. The crowds behaviour before and after the pitch invasion on Saturday is another example. interestingly both positions held by kaiser sose! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Although we will be forever in NC's/ML's debt for saving the club I am more than a little concerned about how the club is now being run particularly by NC. All these minor things that are going on may well add up to something 1) Withdrawal of matchday programme , with no explanation very RL ! 2) Banning of The Echo. 3) Banning of Benali from SMS. 4) NC falling out with everyone on the Staplewood redevelopment hence no site start. 5) No info on ST's not even a date when the info will be release. 6) Cancelling of Player's/Sponsors end of season dinner. 7) Senior members of the club believed to be NC briefing against AP to Solent. ML not turning up to the last game of the season. 9) Continual rumours about ML and NC being unhappy with AP . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 interestingly both positions held by kaiser sose! I was on about the whole of SMS singing 'on the pitch on the pitch on the pitch' for 45 minutes, drowning out the PA announcements, people all over the stadium standing down the front preparing the go on the pitch... ... and then when a few people got on the pitch booing and chanting 'w@nkers' etc etc etc... ... one of the most retarded and fickle things I have ever seen ( on youtube ) :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 As you rightly say, if Pardew goes, the feel-good factor goes with him, which will affect season ticket sales. If they'd released details three weeks ago, they'd have got a lot of early renewals, and then even if they got rid of Pardew, they'd have that money in the bank. The flip side of that being that i the ST went on sale 3 weeks ago and Pardew does leave next week, then you would have thread upon thread of people saying: "I paid good money for an early bird ST in good faith to see Pardew lead the team next year. Now the club have got rid of him AFTER selling thousands of STs. Dirty tricks in my book". You get the idea.... basically the club is always damned if they do, and damned if the don't on EVERY matter. They always will be, no matter who is in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 STs probably awaiting the new seating plans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedArmy Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 STs probably awaiting the new seating plansWhat new seating plan? Nothing is changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 STs probably awaiting the new seating plans But the police have already mentioned to the Echo that there will be no change to the seating plans etc. I would hope that there is a very good reason for the delay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 But the police have already mentioned to the Echo that there will be no change to the seating plans etc. I would hope that there is a very good reason for the delay. Season Tickets to be £125 for 1 season as a sign of goodwill to the fans that have purchased one over the last 5 season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 The club is in very private hands. Transparency does not fit with that. Just accept the improved finance IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Season Tickets to be £125 for 1 season as a sign of goodwill to the fans that have purchased one over the last 5 season? THAT would be worth the wait, and I think one which would be a massive hit and good business for them as well as us. Or Cup matches free for those season ticket holders, reason for delay is clearing it with FA Or bring a friend free. Or something else equally attractive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 sorry, didn't meant it clear.. delay in announcing STs has probably been due to the potential changes to seating plans, also just because he is not able to move away supporters doesn't mean other changes aren't happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 When did the season finish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 The club is in very private hands. Transparency does not fit with that. Just accept the improved finance IMO. Agree to an extent. It's none of our business who they decided to buy, how much they want to pay, whether they have a picture of a train in the boardroom... ( infact that is a good point, I will get my *source* to check on her way out of the MLT later ) It is our business as a customer about things which affect us like Season Tickets, notifying fans of pre-season tours etc... of course the club has the right to withold this information from us, but it doesn't make great PR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 sorry, didn't meant it clear.. delay in announcing STs has probably been due to the potential changes to seating plans, also just because he is not able to move away supporters doesn't mean other changes aren't happening If that is this case why don't they just release a simple statement saying that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S-Clarke Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 On the subject of season tickets, I can understand the delay insomuch that until three weeks ago, it wasn't certain which division we'd be playing in next season. However, common sense would dictate that the club would have been finalising the details for release as soon as we knew one way or the other. As soon as the Carlisle game finished (and Huddersfield had won at Stockport), they should have been preparing to send out renewal forms the following week. As you rightly say, if Pardew goes, the feel-good factor goes with him, which will affect season ticket sales. If they'd released details three weeks ago, they'd have got a lot of early renewals, and then even if they got rid of Pardew, they'd have that money in the bank. All well and good Cortese not being bothered about making friends - that's his lookout - but alienating your customers is something his predecessors were pretty good at, and look how that turned out... I agree with you. We have alot to thank NC for and he's done alot of good in putting this club back in the right direction, but as you say - his constant alienating of certain individuals and his petty blocking of the echo is irritating alot of people. At the end of the day all the Pardew uncertainty has been caused by his comments to solent a few months ago - IMO chairman should really not get involved in the media like he did, they were some naive comments which rocked the ship and has added a doubt over pardews future ever since. All we need him to do now is confirm either way - keep him, or replace him, because we cannot have a summer of this constant ''the club refuse to comment'' rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I'm very happy with how Nicola and Markus are running my club. Kaiser Soze may have an issue, but i'm guessing that relates more to his actions than the actions of the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 The club is in very private hands. Transparency does not fit with that. Just accept the improved finance IMO. There's a few people down the east end of the M27 who said that But you're right, there will be less transparency then under a plc. I'm sure that things will work out - its the first pre-season under the new regime & its different to what we are all used to. Let's just see how things go but there is nothing wrong with people asking questions - whether any answers come is another matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg_hill Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I just cannot believe the lengths some people will go to find something to moan about. This time last year we didn't know if we'd have a club to support. Now we have a club that just missed the play offs, won the JPT, have several of the best players in L1 and a rich owner. Moaners, whiners and negative people can get lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew Le God Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Would you prefer Mr Cortese to spend his time responding to every press or forum rumour OR spend his time getting on with his job? Pardew himself said that there will be a lot of speculation over the summer concerning both himself and his players and that he will not respond to it all as most is wild speculation. If Cortese sacks Pardew then it is worth discussing if it was right or wrong. At the moment it is unfounded press speculation from the Daily Mail that lacks any sources or quotes and until anything happens or quotes/sources are named it should be taken with a pinch of salt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 All well and good Cortese not being bothered about making friends - that's his lookout - but alienating your customers is something his predecessors were pretty good at, and look how that turned out... Pretty much the main point from my perspective, regardless of how "private" the club may want to run things there is such a thing as customer loyalty and heaven knows the fans have been very loyal. The reason I'm so unhappy with NC is not so much what he says but the fact he says very little. Just not good enough IMO though if other fans are prepared to accept that then it's of course their choice, For me though simply not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Pretty much the main point from my perspective, regardless of how "private" the club may want to run things there is such a thing as customer loyalty and heaven knows the fans have been very loyal. The reason I'm so unhappy with NC is not so much what he says but the fact he says very little. Just not good enough IMO though if other fans are prepared to accept that then it's of course their choice, For me though simply not good enough. This where I completely disagree. Saints is now all about the football club with NC not wanting to hog the limelight. Give me this over the Lowe soap opera any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Would you prefer Mr Cortese to spend his time responding to every press or forum rumour OR spend his time getting on with his job? Pardew himself said that there will be a lot of speculation over the summer concerning both himself and his players and that he will not respond to it all as most is wild speculation. If Cortese sacks Pardew then it is worth discussing if it was right or wrong. At the moment it is unfounded press speculation from the Daily Mail that lacks any sources or quotes and until anything happens or quotes/sources are named it should be taken with a pinch of salt. Or it could have been nipped in the bud 3/4 days ago and then we wouldn't need all these threads. Doesn't take THAT much time to issue a brief statement TBH and not because of the DM articles but the clear concerns of the fans who clearly back Pardew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Would you prefer Mr Cortese to spend his time responding to every press or forum rumour OR spend his time getting on with his job? Pardew himself said that there will be a lot of speculation over the summer concerning both himself and his players and that he will not respond to it all as most is wild speculation. If Cortese sacks Pardew then it is worth discussing if it was right or wrong. At the moment it is unfounded press speculation from the Daily Mail that lacks any sources or quotes and until anything happens or quotes/sources are named it should be taken with a pinch of salt. I think the club should have released a statement as to why the programmes were pulled, yes. I do think that a Chairman needs to publicly back his manager every now and then, to help retain the feelgood factor which let's face it, sells tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 I think the club should have released a statement as to why the programmes were pulled, yes. I do think that a Chairman needs to publicly back his manager every now and then, to help retain the feelgood factor which let's face it, sells tickets. Why would he back him if he's about to sack him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasoneuelllfanclub Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 The club have been very quiet on all fronts whether it be AP, ST's, Seating plan, Programme etc which is a concern. I am hoping th ST issue is due to the seating plan not being concluded. I can't think of any reason why the club would be quiet on AP's situation and the programme recall unless it was more to it. I am not in favour of sacking AP yet we fans have no influence on this so if NC is going to do it then he needs to do it pronto so we can have pre season with a manager, new players, rid of deadwood and dont use "the team needs to gel" excuse at the start of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Why would he back him if he's about to sack him? Exactly... Having said that, how many times have you seen managers get the 'vote of confidence' from the Chairman/Owner... ... only to get sacked after the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 This where I completely disagree. Saints is now all about the football club with NC not wanting to hog the limelight. Give me this over the Lowe soap opera any day. Give me a more balanced approached any day. No need to let another Lowe saga develop, no need to completely blank the fans either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Exactly... Having said that, how many times have you seen managers get the 'vote of confidence' from the Chairman/Owner... ... only to get sacked after the next game. Unlike the majority I'm indifferent to Pardew. If he stays i'll be happy, if he goes I won't be bothered. The driving force behind Saints resurgence is not Alan Pardew - it's Markus Liebherrs money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dune Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Give me a more balanced approached any day. No need to let another Lowe saga develop, no need to completely blank the fans either. There's no issue, there's no problem, it's only the tiny minority that post on here that are getting a fit of the vapours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The boy done well Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Why on earth are people moaning. What does it matter if they're a bit later with season tickets. Cortese and Liebherr may well keep their cards very close to their chest but just remember where we were a year ago. Sit back and enjoy the ride. The plan is to get us back to the top. They won't accept failure. Let them get on with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Unlike the majority I'm indifferent to Pardew. If he stays i'll be happy, if he goes I won't be bothered. The driving force behind Saints resurgence is not Alan Pardew - it's Markus Liebherrs money. Money is only of real value if spent wisely, Pardew has for me demonstrated an ability to do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 12 May, 2010 Author Share Posted 12 May, 2010 Unlike the majority I'm indifferent to Pardew. If he stays i'll be happy, if he goes I won't be bothered. The driving force behind Saints resurgence is not Alan Pardew - it's Markus Liebherrs money. The main reason I don't want Pardew to go is simply for continuity. I don't think Pardew has done an amazing job, I think his achievements lie in the 'acceptable to good' category. We still dropped alot of points against teams we shouldn't have and in some of them games, it was down to his tactics. Having said that, if he is sacked then they are going to have to employ a massive name to appease the fans and sell season tickets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisobee Posted 12 May, 2010 Share Posted 12 May, 2010 There's no issue, there's no problem, it's only the tiny minority that post on here that are getting a fit of the vapours. Um, which "tiny minority" are you specifically referring to ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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