Saint in Paradise Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 :shock::shock: There were 351,000 applications for UK student visas in 2008-09 - with 236,000 visa being issued. The number of overseas students in higher education in 2008-9 in the UK is 251,310. This represents an increase of almost 50,000 in four years. Rogue agents are accused of falsifying documents and helping people to get around the student visa system, the rules of which immigration authorities in the UK have tried to tighten. It is a problem that raises concerns about illegal immigration and the possibility of people with terrorist intentions coming into the country, although in many cases it is the students themselves who are being duped. A meeting of immigration and education authorities in London, the first of its kind, is intended to co-ordinate a multi-national response. Higher education has become a globalised market and the British Council says there needs to be an international approach to tackling fraud. In particular there are concerns about agents fraudulently sending students from Pakistan, India, Kazakhstan and parts of Africa. IF they catch these illegal "students" will the UK be allowed to deport them ? I suspect not. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/education/10106279.stm Perhaps SRS is correct in what he says about students ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Shearer Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 Can't just blame it on the students. There are a lot of 'colleges' around which allow students to attend their courses - all for big course fees upfront. Agents and colleges are working in tandem, taking the student's money and they then being left on their own and out of pocket. However didnt Labour change the ruels regarding students coming over from overseas and essentially make it easier? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 this figure will only get higher imo due to the capping of funding for uk students universities then make up the deficit by recruiting more internationals, especially when they pay top dollar to be here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 c*nts the lot of them. Now my taxes not only go towards English students going to Uni doing pointless courses... not people from all over the world can come and do pointless courses at my expense. Student terrorist tax-dodging scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustMike Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 c*nts the lot of them. Now my taxes not only go towards English students going to Uni doing pointless courses... not people from all over the world can come and do pointless courses at my expense. Student terrorist tax-dodging scum. no, your taxes still only apply for uk students. internationals pay for themselves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedAndWhite91 Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 Foreigners who can't get legal documents to live in the country might as pretend they want to study here and get a student visa. Win-win situation for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 (edited) no, your taxes still only apply for uk students. internationals pay for themselves Wrong. English Students pay a fee. EU Foreign Students pay the same fee. Foreign Students pay a higher fee. Neither fees comes even close to the true cost of their further education, which is approximately £4,000 per student per year MORE which is funded by the taxpayer. Edited 13 May, 2010 by StuRomseySaint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 Some Facts. Student drop-outs cost the taxpayer £200m a year. £14.3billion is taken from taxpayers every year and given to students and Universities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View From The Top Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 Wrong. English Students pay a fee. Foreign Students pay a higher fee. Neither fees comes even close to the true cost of their further education, which is subsidised by the taxpayer. Overseas students pay full course costs either directly themselves or via their home uni. The problem was the amount of fake colleges, mainly in the NW and West Yorkshire that were set up just to dish out, for a price, student visas. Most of these were shut down after the security alert the year before last with the Pakistani students, many of whom were on "false" student visas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StuRomseySaint Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 Overseas students pay full course costs either directly themselves or via their home uni. The problem was the amount of fake colleges, mainly in the NW and West Yorkshire that were set up just to dish out, for a price, student visas. Most of these were shut down after the security alert the year before last with the Pakistani students, many of whom were on "false" student visas. Yeah I edited that, I meant EU students who pay the same fee and non-eu who pay what is supposed to be the 'full' fee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackFrost Posted 13 May, 2010 Share Posted 13 May, 2010 Wrong. English Students pay a fee. EU Foreign Students pay the same fee. Foreign Students pay a higher fee. Neither fees comes even close to the true cost of their further education, which is approximately £4,000 per student per year MORE which is funded by the taxpayer. You are correct but the initial problem for a lot of the students leaving college is, uni or jobseekers allowance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 14 May, 2010 Share Posted 14 May, 2010 Some Facts. Student drop-outs cost the taxpayer £200m a year. £14.3billion is taken from taxpayers every year and given to students and Universities. Right lets get rid of: doctors, nurses, vets, teachers, businessman, etc etc etc Then we can all be like STU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suewhistle Posted 14 May, 2010 Share Posted 14 May, 2010 Well, as usual SRS is frothing at the mouth again. One of my nightmares would be being in in the same bedroom: knee jerk reactions and all the subtlety of a dog in heat! Anyway, Labour actually tightened up the situation as there was obvious abuse. But overall colleges like international students because they make money on them. Frankly the biggest problem is getting them up to an adequate level of English! They also come here and spend money here on accommodation, food, transport: I don't remember the latest figures but they make a massive contribution to our awful balance of payments figures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 14 May, 2010 Share Posted 14 May, 2010 c*nts the lot of them. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sev Posted 14 May, 2010 Share Posted 14 May, 2010 Right lets get rid of: doctors, nurses, vets, teachers, businessman, etc etc etc Agree with your point on most of those - but "businessman" - What did you mean by that? I meet plenty of people that you could deem to be 'business men' who are successful in business without having been to university. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 14 May, 2010 Share Posted 14 May, 2010 Right lets get rid of: doctors, nurses, vets, teachers, businessman, etc etc etc Then we can all be like STU Umm, actually you guys already did. :smt096 Now the NHS and it's agents scour the world stealing trained staff from poorer or less developed countries. Anyone noticed how many Asian staff work in the NHS? Most of them have been poached from here and further East. Many articles about staff shortages across the ME & Asia because they all get offered minimum wage in the UK with Agencies and that is trbel what they could get over here. But I am with SrS to a large extent on the student issue. Why the hell should the UK be cheaper than the rest of the EU and YOU subsidise them. Insane when you look at the published numbers that go to UK rather than the rest of the EU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 14 May, 2010 Share Posted 14 May, 2010 This. I suggest sir that you, are infact, the c*nt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huffton Posted 15 May, 2010 Share Posted 15 May, 2010 I suggest sir that you, are infact, the c*nt Quite possibly;) I can, however, work out what 6 divided by 4 is, unlike the f*cking genious and his mates whom I ran into town the other night and had to ask me what the six pound fare was split between them. And these are the people who will be running our country in a few years, great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 15 May, 2010 Share Posted 15 May, 2010 Well, as usual SRS is frothing at the mouth again. One of my nightmares would be being in in the same bedroom: knee jerk reactions and all the subtlety of a dog in heat! . Probably one of the nicest chat lines Stu has ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 15 May, 2010 Share Posted 15 May, 2010 Probably one of the nicest chat lines Stu has ever had Actually, outside of 'hey big boy are you the guy who ****s fatties' from drunken fatties, probably the only chat up line he's ever had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint_Jonny Posted 15 May, 2010 Share Posted 15 May, 2010 Quite possibly;) I can, however, work out what 6 divided by 4 is, unlike the f*cking genious and his mates whom I ran into town the other night and had to ask me what the six pound fare was split between them. And these are the people who will be running our country in a few years, great. I bet he could spell genius though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 15 May, 2010 Share Posted 15 May, 2010 Agree with your point on most of those - but "businessman" - What did you mean by that? I meet plenty of people that you could deem to be 'business men' who are successful in business without having been to university. MBAs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonnyboy Posted 15 May, 2010 Share Posted 15 May, 2010 Umm, actually you guys already did. :smt096 Now the NHS and it's agents scour the world stealing trained staff from poorer or less developed countries. Anyone noticed how many Asian staff work in the NHS? Most of them have been poached from here and further East. Many articles about staff shortages across the ME & Asia because they all get offered minimum wage in the UK with Agencies and that is trbel what they could get over here. But I am with SrS to a large extent on the student issue. Why the hell should the UK be cheaper than the rest of the EU and YOU subsidise them. Insane when you look at the published numbers that go to UK rather than the rest of the EU Fair point but SRS wants to close all universities, and ban all unions, what next? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 15 May, 2010 Share Posted 15 May, 2010 Fair point but SRS wants to close all universities, and ban all unions, what next? Ban anyone apart from himself living in Romsey? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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