trousers Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Surely a ten minute run out at the end of the game would have given him a much needed confidence and/or attitude boost? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfredKo Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Or attendence boost for the coming home games? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Martini Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Depends, he could as well have seen it as a slap in the face. He'll get his chance sooner rather then later. I don't think it was a bad choice to give Paterson his first minutes in front of a happy home crowd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Surely a ten minute run out at the end of the game would have given him a much needed confidence and/or attitude boost? £400/minute according to the stories. Far better putting Paterson on at 50p and for the experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint lard Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Not if it was going to cost a few quid as many seem to suspect. If funds sre not an issue,then he should be given a run out,as and when deemed nesessary IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpine_saint Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Actually, dont agree on this one. I quite like the idea of dangling a carrot in front of his nose and seeing if he can get his hunger back and bite. I reckon the experience of being on the bench could prove quite motivating for him. However, this is quite easy to say with hindsight following a 2-0 victory; if we'd been losing 2-0 I would have been screaming for him to be put on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TopGun Posted 30 September, 2008 Share Posted 30 September, 2008 Actually, dont agree on this one. I quite like the idea of dangling a carrot in front of his nose and seeing if he can get his hunger back and bite. I reckon the experience of being on the bench could prove quite motivating for him. However, this is quite easy to say with hindsight following a 2-0 victory; if we'd been losing 2-0 I would have been screaming for him to be put on. Yes, that's presumably why he was there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 30 September, 2008 Author Share Posted 30 September, 2008 £400/minute according to the stories. So they say....so why pass by an opportunity to put those 'rumours' to bed....a 2+2 moment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COMEONYOUREDS Posted 1 October, 2008 Share Posted 1 October, 2008 So they say....so why pass by an opportunity to put those 'rumours' to bed....a 2+2 moment? 'cos they're true?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saints67 Posted 2 October, 2008 Share Posted 2 October, 2008 This is on the BBC website about why Kevin Kyle has moved on loan from Coventry. Maybe something similar for our Rudi? http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/h/hartlepool_united/7648641.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sidthesquid Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 Personally I don't care if he plays or not. He is one of the most over-rated players ever to play for us. I reckon most of the people clamouring for him to play didn't get to see him very often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 Personally I don't care if he plays or not. He is one of the most over-rated players ever to play for us. I reckon most of the people clamouring for him to play didn't get to see him very often. Sort of agree but find it strange why we put him in the squad if we have no intention of playing him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 3 October, 2008 Sort of agree but find it strange why we put him in the squad if we have no intention of playing him It suggests there is a clause in his contract that says something along the lines of: "I can leave on a free transfer if I'm not in the match day squad but will only receive a pay bonus if I get on the pitch" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 It suggests there is a clause in his contract that says something along the lines of: "I can leave on a free transfer if I'm not in the match day squad but will only receive a pay bonus if I get on the pitch" so why did he not leave on a free when he was not in squad? all very strange Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 3 October, 2008 so why did he not leave on a free when he was not in squad? all very strange Dunno. That would suggest I'm talking out of my hat....! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 For all the talk of needing an experienced spine through the team it is the kids that continue to hog the headlines. It's almost as though they are saying hey, we're a team that's developed over a few years - we don't need our hands held at this level. Watch us and we'll prove we are good enough on our own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHAPEL END CHARLIE Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 Rudi Skacel had the opportunity to move to other clubs in the summer - and turned the chance down apparently because they failed to match his wage demands . Compare that attitude to Andrew Davies who dropped a division (and in all probability took a pay cut in the process) in order to play regular first team football . Skacel is now languishing both unused and unaffordable at a CCC club while Davies is now back in the Premier League with a great opportunity to progress his career . Players need to look after their own interests we all understand that and few among us will volunteer for a pay cut , but players need to understand that clubs and their fans want players who really want to play - above all other considerations . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 3 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 3 October, 2008 (edited) Skacel is sponsored by Infinity Homes, which happens to be one of Mr Wilde's companies.... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/team/?page_id=6587&player_id=104 You'd have thought that the sponsors of a player, who is alledgedly being frozen out, would be kicking up a fuss with the club to get 'their' player more exposure on the pitch.... Erm...Sponsor = M.Wilde / Boss = M.Wilde Any idea how that works...? :confused: p.s. and how come none of the other players have a link to their sponsors from their player profile page....? Edited 3 October, 2008 by trousers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eelpie Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 so why did he not leave on a free when he was not in squad? all very strange Because he was being well paid here while long term injured? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubai_phil Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 Rudi Skacel had the opportunity to move to other clubs in the summer - and turned the chance down apparently because they failed to match his wage demands . Compare that attitude to Andrew Davies who dropped a division (and in all probability took a pay cut in the process) in order to play regular first team football . Skacel is now languishing both unused and unaffordable at a CCC club while Davies is now back in the Premier League with a great opportunity to progress his career . Players need to look after their own interests we all understand that and few among us will volunteer for a pay cut , but players need to understand that clubs and their fans want players who really want to play - above all other considerations . I agree totally with your point, but one thing to remember is that different Nationalities have different upbringings and different life expectations. For some the career is all, for others it is glory and for some of course it is the money. The only thing I am learning about the whole Skacel issue is that he knows what is really going on and we don't. For all we know money MAy be the only objective - IF you are nearing the end of your career then every pound he can take now gives him a better life. Equally, for all we know he could have stopped bothering because he's busy running some sort of property business or even getting a UEFA coaching badge. From the (totally) unsubstantiated rumours I've heard (from the bloke that washes out the insides of the cement trucks next door to SMS) if Davies took a pay cut to come here it can't have been a very big one.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 Skacel is sponsored by Infinity Homes, which happens to be one of Mr Wilde's companies.... http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/team/?page_id=6587&player_id=104 You'd have thought that the sponsors of a player, who is alledgedly being frozen out, would be kicking up a fuss with the club to get 'their' player more exposure on the pitch.... Erm...Sponsor = M.Wilde / Boss = M.Wilde Any idea how that works...? :confused: p.s. and how come none of the other players have a link to their sponsors from their player profile page....? Having followed the link, done some googling and then read about Mike's companies I found this old article. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=7078 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 3 October, 2008 Share Posted 3 October, 2008 Surely a ten minute run out at the end of the game would have given him a much needed confidence and/or attitude boost? Either Portaloo is off his rocker or there's some political reason why he's not getting in the team. It makes no sense from where i'm sitting not to play him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 4 October, 2008 Share Posted 4 October, 2008 Either Portaloo is off his rocker or there's some political reason why he's not getting in the team. It makes no sense from where i'm sitting not to play him. Crikey. Where are you sitting? We have a guy who would rather stay at Saints drawing an inflated salary than be pretty much gaurenteed a game elsewhere. A guy that has spent most of this season on the injury table and most of last underperforming. We have a team of fired up youngsters who are unbeaten in 4 games and you want to switch?????? I think I trust JP on this one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 4 October, 2008 Author Share Posted 4 October, 2008 Having followed the link, done some googling and then read about Mike's companies I found this old article. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/news/?page_id=7078 Lowe: "As a tax exile how much time can Michael Wilde really devote to the affairs of SLH ?" I wonder if he ever found out the answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 4 October, 2008 Share Posted 4 October, 2008 Crikey. Where are you sitting? We have a guy who would rather stay at Saints drawing an inflated salary than be pretty much gaurenteed a game elsewhere. A guy that has spent most of this season on the injury table and most of last underperforming. We have a team of fired up youngsters who are unbeaten in 4 games and you want to switch?????? I think I trust JP on this one! 1. If you are refering to the Ipswich move, he was reportedly offered half his salary here and was far from guaranteed first team action. Would you take that move? 2. He was out for 2 weeks after a knock in the reserves. He has been available since then, but just hasn't been selected. 3. Complete myth. Skacel filled in perfectly capably at LB last season, supplying decent crosses and was rarely caught out at the back. He kept Vignal out the team for half a season and formed a decent partnership with Surman (before Burley decided Wright and Euell were a better left flank combination ) 4. A team of fired-up youngsters is all well and good. It's exatly what we have... and it's exactly what Crewe have. If we want to avoid the drop we are going to need a bit more than youthful energy. A couple of defeats and suddenly everyone will be moaning about why Pekhart is playing ahead of John, why DMG is a left winger, why BWP is on the pitch at all etc. etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 4. A team of fired-up youngsters is all well and good. It's exatly what we have... and it's exactly what Crewe have. If we want to avoid the drop we are going to need a bit more than youthful energy. A couple of defeats and suddenly everyone will be moaning about why Pekhart is playing ahead of John, why DMG is a left winger, why BWP is on the pitch at all etc. etc. I respect your views on Skacel and we'll not really know until he gets a chance to prove himself on the pitch. Hopefully he will get that chance. What I am impressed by is how the existing players give it their all for 90 minutes. If they don't Jan will drop them but whilst they do, he keeps them on the pitch because that is the best way they will learn from their mistakes. Frustrating for us - particularly when you see a Coventry side take us apart with apparent ease but there is a long term plan and you just have to hope they learn quickly enough to keep us up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Shot Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 I respect your views on Skacel and we'll not really know until he gets a chance to prove himself on the pitch. Hopefully he will get that chance. What I am impressed by is how the existing players give it their all for 90 minutes. If they don't Jan will drop them but whilst they do, he keeps them on the pitch because that is the best way they will learn from their mistakes. Frustrating for us - particularly when you see a Coventry side take us apart with apparent ease but there is a long term plan and you just have to hope they learn quickly enough to keep us up! I have been told by an impeccable source that the reason Skacel is not playing is because he is on appearance money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvin Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 I have been told by an impeccable source that the reason Skacel is not playing is because he is on appearance money. 90 percent of Saints fans know about his reason It's sad, how Rupert or Wilde doesn't have the balls to invest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arizona Posted 5 October, 2008 Share Posted 5 October, 2008 I respect your views on Skacel and we'll not really know until he gets a chance to prove himself on the pitch. Hopefully he will get that chance. What I am impressed by is how the existing players give it their all for 90 minutes. If they don't Jan will drop them but whilst they do, he keeps them on the pitch because that is the best way they will learn from their mistakes. Frustrating for us - particularly when you see a Coventry side take us apart with apparent ease but there is a long term plan and you just have to hope they learn quickly enough to keep us up! That's fair enough. However I fear however hard these youngsters try, it might not be enough. If we got relegated by say 2 or 3 points and didn't play Skacel, it will have proven to be a terrible decision as I believe he could well be the difference between win, lose or draw in a few games over the season. The, "they're still young and learning," line wont cut it forever. Sooner or later we're going to have to admit that several of our players just aren't up to it yet. Perhaps more worring is the fact that Saints have rarely improve in the second half of the season. I know we have a different set up to previous seasons, but our lack of spending in January has frequently left us falling behind. Season's midpoint - End of the season 07/08 - Midtable - Barely escape the drop. 06/07 - 4th IIRC - Scrape into the playoffs. 05/06 - Playoff outsiders - Midtable 04/05 - Relegation battle - Bottom of the League 03/04 - 4th at Christmas - 12th 02/03 - Top Half somewhere - 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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