How Much has this cost?

[Professor]

And does it matter?

 

Can't put a sum on the cost of the manager change but maybe some people could have a stab at it. Will Pardew's contract have been paid up in full? And the same for Downes and Murdoch. Will that include the 'hush' money that presumably is stopping them from going off to the NoW?

 

Then there is the compensation to the club from whom we are taking the new manager, who we have induced to break his contract. Add to that the need to bring in new coaches to replace the other two.

 

This looks like a tidy sum, that could have been spent on improving the squad. The outcome is that we should have a capable manager, but not a WOW. Whereas when Pardew was appointed last year there was a bit more of a WOW factor about him. So will Adkins be so much better than Pardew that this will be money better spent on management than on the team?

[NickG]

£47.52

[shurlock]

So will Adkins be so much better than Pardew that this will be money better spent on management than on the team?

 

I guess not as youve you decided to post this now rather than wait to see how he actually performs let alone to see if he's even announced manager. talk about obtuse and pointless questions.

[ssaints]

I am ITK have heard it from a horses mouth and got texts. NickG the sum is actually closer to £55 and AP was also given a bag of wine gums to keep stum. My mate who does't know anything has been told Pele will be appointed by lunchtime.

[WGC Saint]

All I know is that the mindless and moronic decision to sack Pards has cost us promotion this season and hence another stay in this **** league for one more season that we need to!

[S-Clarke]

All I know is that the mindless and moronic decision to sack Pards has cost us promotion this season and hence another stay in this **** league for one more season that we need to!

 

No it hasn't. How can you say that 4 games in?

[Ian the Red]

All I know is that the mindless and moronic decision to sack Pards has cost us promotion this season and hence another stay in this **** league for one more season that we need to!

 

Utter rubbish!! we are 6 points off the top, this time last season we were 18 or so. In any case back to the OP, IF, and this is speculation, AP was sacked for gross misconduct there would be no need to pay him off.

Edited 9 September, 2010 by Ian the Red

[Thedelldays]

All I know is that the mindless and moronic decision to sack Pards has cost us promotion this season and hence another stay in this **** league for one more season that we need to!

 

Another hysterical post

 

Funny how last season we were 18 points from the top and with no pre season etc we nearly did. But this season. We have no chance..

 

Loon

[Professor]

£47.52

Excluding people who would still applaud every move even if the club was sold to the Russian Mafia or it appointed David Blunkett as manager, there is a lot for concerned fans to keep watch on. In 10 years since 2000, the club has had 12 managers, Adkins will be number 13. That excludes caretakers. Just to confirm, the full list is:-

Dave Jones, Glenn Hoddle, Stuart Gray, Gordon Strachan, Paul Sturrock, Steve Wigley,Harry Redknapp, George Burley, Nigel Pearson, Jan Poortvleit, Mark Wotte, Alan Pardew.

We are currently one point above bottom place in the Third Division, and have been knocked out of the two cup competitions we were in. With a 4-0 away win and the manager planning new signings, albeit late in the day, the Chairman decides to sack the manager and coaches and instead of taking an available manager goes for one where the club must pay compensation to his current employers (it will be more than £47.52, NickG but maybe you think money doesn't matter).

 

Will Adkins be any better than Pardew? We will never know, because we will never know how well Pardew would have done this year, but both men have the same win ratio. What is certain is that Adkins starts with a worse situation than when Pardew was sacked so he has more ground to make up.

 

Just to be clear, the new manager should be warmly welcomed, and fans will want him to succeed because no one wants anything other than promotion this year, but the club ownership and board has a mountain to climb to win back the trust that people had in Markus.

[The9]

All I know is that the mindless and moronic decision to sack Pards has cost us promotion this season and hence another stay in this **** league for one more season that we need to!

 

That is a bunch of ar5e, we're 5 points nearer the Play-Offs now than we were in April when people were going mental for us getting to Wembley... it's up to Adkins to make it work with what he's got, which is the best squad in the division.

[docker-p]

Utter rubbish!! we are 6 points off the top, this time last season we were 18 or so. In any case back to the OP, AP was sacked for gross misconduct so need to pay him off.

You are joking right? It's just that it so clearly nonsense but you didn't put a smiley thing after it.

 

It depends how long they had to run on their contracts, but i would imagine they would be close to fully paid up. And compensation to SUFC, £150-£200K is my guess.

[kpturner]

All I know is that the mindless and moronic decision to sack Pards has cost us promotion this season and hence another stay in this **** league for one more season that we need to!

 

I was going to give you some serious grief for that post....but too many people have beaten me to it.

[Dr Who?]

This reminds me of the dark days, paying off a manager (If we have to) and replace him with another manager who has not got as much experience and pay the club you get him from. Just throwing away money again. Lets just hope we do not continue this pattern over and over again like before. Hope he is not on a long contract!

[Dr Who?]

All what I said above will not matter as long as Adkins does a good job and takes us up through the leagues.

[Dellman]

Utter rubbish!! we are 6 points off the top, this time last season we were 18 or so. In any case back to the OP, AP was sacked for gross misconduct so need to pay him off.

 

If Pardew was sacked for gross misconduct why did the other two coaches have to go as well?

[Professor]

Utter rubbish!! we are 6 points off the top, this time last season we were 18 or so. In any case back to the OP, AP was sacked for gross misconduct so need to pay him off.

 

Sorry Ian, but unless you know this for a fact it is close to libellous. If it were unequivitably true, there would nothing to be gained by the club in failing to make a public statement. That statement would also have to explain how all three sacked employees were implicated. As it stand we have the official announcement and no response from the sacked coaches, whose careers must be seriously damaged by the doubt and speculation. As things stand, it is reasonable for the speculation to include the possibility that substantial pay-offs may have been made to buy silence. The speculation could, of course, be ended by a factual explanation from the club.

[Ian the Red]

You are joking right? It's just that it so clearly nonsense but you didn't put a smiley thing after it.

 

It depends how long they had to run on their contracts, but i would imagine they would be close to fully paid up. And compensation to SUFC, £150-£200K is my guess.

 

If it was gross misconduct then it is not in AP's interest or the other two to broadcast why they were sacked - a NDA maybe required but no reason to pay off AP if it was misconduct. Pay off to SUFC, you're right there would be something agreed probabaly based upon the length of time remaining on Adkins contract.

[Ian the Red]

Sorry Ian, but unless you know this for a fact it is close to libellous. If it were unequivitably true, there would nothing to be gained by the club in failing to make a public statement. That statement would also have to explain how all three sacked employees were implicated. As it stand we have the official announcement and no response from the sacked coaches, whose careers must be seriously damaged by the doubt and speculation. As things stand, it is reasonable for the speculation to include the possibility that substantial pay-offs may have been made to buy silence. The speculation could, of course, be ended by a factual explanation from the club.

 

Sorry should have added "if"

[Charlie2008]

No it hasn't. How can you say that 4 games in?

 

I'm with you here. It's still 'early doors' and the new management team have plenty of time.

 

Having a 'premiership' manager does not make us a premiership side. We need bums on seats and the rest will come. Lets all go to Swindon and support the team.

 

Patience is a virtue.

 

COYR!

[Ian the Red]

Excluding people who would still applaud every move even if the club was sold to the Russian Mafia or it appointed David Blunkett as manager, there is a lot for concerned fans to keep watch on. In 10 years since 2000, the club has had 12 managers, Adkins will be number 13. That excludes caretakers. Just to confirm, the full list is:-

Dave Jones, Glenn Hoddle, Stuart Gray, Gordon Strachan, Paul Sturrock, Steve Wigley,Harry Redknapp, George Burley, Nigel Pearson, Jan Poortvleit, Mark Wotte, Alan Pardew.

We are currently one point above bottom place in the Third Division, and have been knocked out of the two cup competitions we were in. With a 4-0 away win and the manager planning new signings, albeit late in the day, the Chairman decides to sack the manager and coaches and instead of taking an available manager goes for one where the club must pay compensation to his current employers (it will be more than £47.52, NickG but maybe you think money doesn't matter).

 

Will Adkins be any better than Pardew? We will never know, because we will never know how well Pardew would have done this year, but both men have the same win ratio. What is certain is that Adkins starts with a worse situation than when Pardew was sacked so he has more ground to make up.

 

Just to be clear, the new manager should be warmly welcomed, and fans will want him to succeed because no one wants anything other than promotion this year, but the club ownership and board has a mountain to climb to win back the trust that people had in Markus.

 

How about adding in the last 20 years, Souness, Merrington, Ball, Branfoot and Nicholl, pretty bad reading really 17 managers in 20 years; Adkins or another being no18!

[Professor]

Only 6 managers in 10 years in the 1990s (if you include Dave Jones in both decades) almost looks like stability compared to the last 10 years! It would be a relief in some ways if the Pardew dismissal wasn't down to performance, although performance is the reason given by the club. Sacking managers hasn't improved things in the past for SFC and it always results in resources being wasted. The best we can hope for now is that Adkins is here for the next 5 or 10 years, but I wouldn't bank on it. If he gets us up, and starts to do well in the Champ, he'll be poached by a Prem club anyway.

[Ian the Red]

Agree Prof, we do need stability; Ted Bates, Lawrie, Nicholl & Jones were given time amd we produced decent football. WGS had, what 3 seasons and again did well. We do need someone to stay with the club long term, take us to fizzy pop next season and then onto the Prem. We can onnly hope, wait and see.