Strange Days Indeed

[sadoldgit]

Van Damme scores for wolves. Ormerod gets 7/10 for Blackpool. Both were considered lightweights in the Saints scheme of things.

 

Lots of ex Saints playing in the Premiership yet we are in currentlly in the bottom of the 3rd tier of English football.

 

As Greavsie famously once said, "It's a funny old game."

 

Shame we can't laugh about it. How the mighty are fallen.

 

I hope this time we get it right.

[peacey]

I will have you know that Brett Ormerod is a legend and still a good player...... Just needs a manager who has faith in him....I would love him back at saints in our current division!

[dubai_phil]

I will have you know that Brett Ormerod is a legend and still a good player...... Just needs a manager who has faith in him....I would love him back at saints in our current division!

 

Really liked Ormerod, we played far better with him than without.

 

I bet though that he is still pinching himself that he is back playing in the PL (and doing well)

 

Move on Soggy. If Only are the two most soul destroying words in the English Language when used together. Forwards, Onwards and Upwards

[whizzpop]

add Stephen Crainey, Fuller, Boa Morte, Euell, Delap, Higginbotham, Best, Ranger...and in the Championship Adam Hammill, Monk, Dyer, Blackstock, Howard, and even Pericard at Swindon it starts to get rather frustrating as all of the above have improved since leaving Saints.

[Saint Troy]

Nearly spat my tea out when I saw mike Williamson on motd!

[Fitzhugh Fella]

Kevin Davies - Strachan's worse mistake by far and the biggest reason I am now glad he is not coming back to manage!

[lordswoodsaints]

Tbh it annoys me when I see ex saints players playing at a higher level and raking in vast pay-packets when we are languishing in the l1 sh!t swamp.....these are the same players who happily got us relegated and then left the sinking ship for another lucrative contract at another club.

All clubs should write into contracts that if a club relegated then the players have to stay a minimum of 12 months to try and get the team back up.

Otherwise what do they care if a club gets relegated? They just walk into another contract elsewhere.....if they had that clause in their contract they would certainly try a bit harder to keep the team up,instead of giving up and moving on.

[hamster]

Tbh it annoys me when I see ex saints players playing at a higher level and raking in vast pay-packets when we are languishing in the l1 sh!t swamp.....these are the same players who happily got us relegated and then left the sinking ship for another lucrative contract at another club.

All clubs should write into contracts that if a club relegated then the players have to stay a minimum of 12 months to try and get the team back up.

Otherwise what do they care if a club gets relegated? They just walk into another contract elsewhere.....if they had that clause in their contract they would certainly try a bit harder to keep the team up,instead of giving up and moving on.

 

Or write it in that they have to work on half pay (ala RL model) or even better they copy the Pompey model. No real solution imho, if a player wants out, let them go. I have for a long time believed that more of a player's wages should be performance based.

[lordswoodsaints]

Or write it in that they have to work on half pay (ala RL model) or even better they copy the Pompey model. No real solution imho, if a player wants out, let them go. I have for a long time believed that more of a player's wages should be performance based.

 

I'm not in favour of letting a player break his contract,they already have too much power in the game this is why clubs are in financial trouble....the power needs to be shifted back to the clubs.

You could have situations (probably already have) where players from a club that has a chance of relegation hold back from for fear of getting injured and spoiling any chances of getting a contract elsewhere thus not giving 100% to the club in trouble.

[lordswoodsaints]

Or write it in that they have to work on half pay (ala RL model) or even better they copy the Pompey model. No real solution imho, if a player wants out, let them go. I have for a long time believed that more of a player's wages should be performance based.

 

I'm not in favour of letting a player break his contract,they already have too much power in the game this is why clubs are in financial trouble....the power needs to be shifted back to the clubs.

You could have situations (probably already have) where players from a club that has a chance of relegation hold back for fear of getting injured and spoiling any chances of getting a contract elsewhere thus not giving 100% to the club in trouble.

[doddisalegend]

I'm not in favour of letting a player break his contract,they already have too much power in the game this is why clubs are in financial trouble....the power needs to be shifted back to the clubs.

You could have situations (probably already have) where players from a club that has a chance of relegation hold back for fear of getting injured and spoiling any chances of getting a contract elsewhere thus not giving 100% to the club in trouble.

 

What about the other side of the coin though if you actually make football contracts worth the paper there written on you might not be able to shift players who aren't working out? If the players get you relegated do you want to keep them anyway?

[alpine_saint]

Kevin Davies - Strachan's worse mistake by far and the biggest reason I am now glad he is not coming back to manage!

 

He was never the same player he was before he left for Blackburn.

[sadoldgit]

Kevin Davies - Strachan's worse mistake by far and the biggest reason I am now glad he is not coming back to manage!

 

I am with you on this one Duncan. I still can't believe he ws left out of the team/squad for Cardiff. We all knew he could play and whilst there was obviously something going on, it was WGSs job to fix it and get the best out of his players. A big error.

[Ken Tone]

What about the other side of the coin though if you actually make football contracts worth the paper there written on you might not be able to shift players who aren't working out? If the players get you relegated do you want to keep them anyway?

 

The trouble is that pretty much IS the situation anyway. Players can nearly always walk away from a contract by making enough fuss, but clubs have to pay up on contracts. They can't shift players who don't want to move.

 

Pulis is the obvious case in point.

 

It's a one way valve.

[Fitzhugh Fella]

I am with you on this one Duncan. I still can't believe he ws left out of the team/squad for Cardiff. We all knew he could play and whilst there was obviously something going on, it was WGSs job to fix it and get the best out of his players. A big error.

 

I think the whole episode exposed Strachan's achilles heal as a manager. Yes Davies had issues and yes he had not been playing well but a good manager gets those sort of things sorted because deep down we all knew "he had it". Strachan got careless and thought he was a bit too clever and as a consequence we lost an excellent player for nothing.

[LeBenali]

add Stephen Crainey, Fuller, Boa Morte, Euell, Delap, Higginbotham, Best, Ranger...and in the Championship Adam Hammill, Monk, Dyer, Blackstock, Howard, and even Pericard at Swindon it starts to get rather frustrating as all of the above have improved since leaving Saints.

 

Also saw Mike Williamson was playing for Newcastle on Saturday - he was about 17th choice centre back when he was here!

[ladysaint]

Talking about Newcastle what happened to another of our ex players Nile Ranger, thought he was going to become a regular in the Newcastle team last season.

[Arizona]

Kevin Davies - Strachan's worse mistake by far and the biggest reason I am now glad he is not coming back to manage!

 

I am with you on this one Duncan. I still can't believe he ws left out of the team/squad for Cardiff. We all knew he could play and whilst there was obviously something going on, it was WGSs job to fix it and get the best out of his players. A big error.

 

The same Kevin Davies who scored 5 goals for Saints in the 2 seasons leading up to that cup final?

 

I don't get these constant "why did we let him go FFS!?" threads. We must have had getting on 100 players leave us since Davies left us, yet some people seem to expect all of them to vanish into nothingness and become complete sh*t. Aside from players like Bale, Crouch, Jones and Walcott who left for bigger things, there aren't too many doing ex. players setting the world on fire. For every Davies or Ormerod, there are probably a dosen Jermaine Wrights and Darren Kentons.

[Saint Garrett]

tbf we had James Beattie, Kevin Davies, Marian Pahars, Agustin Delgado, Brett Ormerod and Jo Tessem.

 

Davies was very much out of form, and we bought in Kevin Phillips the year Davies left. Although he is obviously a good player and doing in for Bolton, is he actually that good or just suits the way that Bolton play to make him look like he offers more than he actually does ?

[sadoldgit]

Davies was a very good player but we didn't make the most of him. The fact that he is still playing and doing well in the Premiership and we are at the bottom of the 3rd tier of English football should tell you something. All we are saying was it was a mistake leting him go. Calm down, it is only an opinion.