What Is Happening To Our Country?

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

You've been listening to Badenoch. It's because of their history, and because they're Israeli.

No I haven't. Outrageous to ban away supporters because of where they come from if true. No wonder people are trying to get the decision reversed.

[Lord Duckhunter]

Absolutely laughable the way people are tying themselves in knots over this. “It’s because they’ll cause trouble”, lol . Had that been the case the statement would have said so. They were banned because they support an Israeli team, and the local Muslim community & assorted half wits cosplaying Palestinian’s will kick off. The fact it comes in the week a “peace” has been declared tells you all you need to know about the real motivation behind this. 
 

 

Edited yesterday at 12:14 by Lord Duckhunter

[Lord Duckhunter]

2 hours ago, egg said:

and because they're Israeli.

😂 You don’t believe this pony do you? 
 

In other news Nick Griffin wants a ban on away supporters at the Oval. Not because they’re black, but because they’re West Indian. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

No I haven't. Outrageous to ban away supporters because of where they come from if true. No wonder people are trying to get the decision reversed.

Surely it's sensible considering what has happened over the past few years? There's lots of people here who see Israeli's as the problem and maybe we should let time pass before putting that target on their back.

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Surely it's sensible considering what has happened over the past few years? There's lots of people here who see Israeli's as the problem and maybe we should let time pass before putting that target on their back.

Surely that's for the individual supporter to decide. Of course you might need extra resources but what you shouldn't do is ban something due to the threat of violence. That shouldn't be the country we are. Do bubble buses if required the same way they do with our derbies.

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Surely that's for the individual supporter to decide. Of course you might need extra resources but what you shouldn't do is ban something due to the threat of violence. That shouldn't be the country we are. Do bubble buses if required the same way they do with our derbies.

I disagree, it's to protect the general public as well as any attacks can spill over to the general public. Why should we have to foot the bill, and take that risk because Netanyahu and his cronies are cunts?

I genuinely don't see why them being banned is such a big issue? Have we not got enough to worry/complain about at the moment?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I disagree, it's to protect the general public as well as any attacks can spill over to the general public. Why should we have to foot the bill, and take that risk because Netanyahu and his cronies are cunts?

I genuinely don't see why them being banned is such a big issue? Have we not got enough to worry/complain about at the moment?

It is about the rule of law and the fact that West Midland Police have effectively said they cannot enforce it. Britain's second city cannot guarantee the safety of Jews on their streets. As far as I know, those issuing the threats, including one charmer who said they would show 'no mercy' have not been arrested highlighting the two tier Britain that we live under. 

[Mixedkebab]

47 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I disagree, it's to protect the general public as well as any attacks can spill over to the general public. Why should we have to foot the bill, and take that risk because Netanyahu and his cronies are cunts?

I genuinely don't see why them being banned is such a big issue? Have we not got enough to worry/complain about at the moment?

What a simpering, jelly limbed attitude. If our old bill are genuinely incapable of wrapping up these terrible trouble making 1000 fans or so (they only too 150 to PAOK amid huge pro Palestine protests) this country is indeed a fucking joke, when other massive events which often see outbreaks of trouble CAN be policed, which we also foot the bill for.i thought the clubs settled the bill anyway As per Saints v Pompey bubble and helicopters .

One post you say it should be enforced to stop the Israelis having a target on their back, the next it’s to protect innocent bystanders who could get in the way of the marauding Maccabi supporters and their enemies.

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Mixedkebab

[Lord Duckhunter]

Isreal is clearly not in Europe, but we know why they play in UEFA competitions. It’s clearly going to become an issue in Europe unless the authorities take a robust and ethical approach to this.
 

If sides from certain countries are allowed to compete, then their supporters should be allowed to watch the games. The only exception should be when the governing body sanction them for some sort of transaction or previous behaviour. If the home club are unable to protect the away support, then the game should be switched to a venue that can. The local residents, community leaders, or protest groups feelings or opinions should be irrelevant. 
 

 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I disagree, it's to protect the general public as well as any attacks can spill over to the general public. Why should we have to foot the bill, and take that risk because Netanyahu and his cronies are cunts?

I genuinely don't see why them being banned is such a big issue? Have we not got enough to worry/complain about at the moment?

We all know it's at least partly because Birmingham has loads of Muslims in it and a percentage of Islamists who are intent on dealing out violence if a bunch of Israelis come into the city because enough of them don't share the same values as the average native Brit. 

[egg]

1 hour ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

😂 You don’t believe this pony do you? 
 

In other news Nick Griffin wants a ban on away supporters at the Oval. Not because they’re black, but because they’re West Indian. 

What irritates is that people jump down people's throats when they conflate Jewish with Israeli, but choose to do it when it suits them. Pick a lane. 

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Sergei Gotsmanov said:

It is about the rule of law and the fact that West Midland Police have effectively said they cannot enforce it. Britain's second city cannot guarantee the safety of Jews on their streets. As far as I know, those issuing the threats, including one charmer who said they would show 'no mercy' have not been arrested highlighting the two tier Britain that we live under. 

I would assume Jewish Villa fans are allowed to go though aren't they? In which this is an Israeli thing.

[Farmer Saint]

1 hour ago, Mixedkebab said:

What a simpering, jelly limbed attitude. If our old bill are genuinely incapable of wrapping up these terrible trouble making 1000 fans or so (they only too 150 to PAOK amid huge pro Palestine protests) this country is indeed a fucking joke, when other massive events which often see outbreaks of trouble CAN be policed, which we also foot the bill for.i thought the clubs settled the bill anyway As per Saints v Pompey bubble and helicopters .

One post you say it should be enforced to stop the Israelis having a target on their back, the next it’s to protect innocent bystanders who could get in the way of the marauding Maccabi supporters and their enemies.

 

I never said anything about the public being protected from Maccabi fans, so wind your neck in.

Edited 22 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

27 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

We all know it's at least partly because Birmingham has loads of Muslims in it and a percentage of Islamists who are intent on dealing out violence if a bunch of Israelis come into the city because enough of them don't share the same values as the average native Brit. 

Yeah, cos everyone who has an issue with what the Israeli's have done are Muslims. Social Media has been full of English white non-religious people being outraged at what has been going on in Gaza. Birmingham is our second largest city, it has a high population of every religion.

Apart from that, just more anti-Muslim shit from you in the rest of your post. We get it, you hate Muslim's. You've made that quite clear.

[LuckyNumber7]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I disagree, it's to protect the general public as well as any attacks can spill over to the general public. Why should we have to foot the bill, and take that risk because Netanyahu and his cronies are cunts?

I genuinely don't see why them being banned is such a big issue? Have we not got enough to worry/complain about at the moment?

Ah, so it's all Netanyahu's fault then, nothing to do with the 'peaceful' muslims in Birmingham who are planning on causing trouble.

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, LuckyNumber7 said:

Ah, so it's all Netanyahu's fault then, nothing to do with the 'peaceful' muslims in Birmingham who are planning on causing trouble.

Why do you think it's just Muslims? I think it's down to Netanyahu that he has put those supporters in danger with repeated war crimes, yes.

Personally, I think the best option is to try to minimise any potential casualties. That's it. I get a lot of people disagree with this, but it's just my opinion that I would prefer more people not to get injured or killed due to the the fucking shit that has happened in Israel and Gaza.

Edited 21 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Mixedkebab]

26 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I never said anything about the public being protected from Maccabi fans, so wind your neck in.

 

27 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I never said anything about the public being protected from Maccabi fans, so wind your neck in.

Any attacks from spilling over into the wider public is what you said. 
And I replied from Marauding Maccabi fans or their enemies. 

If it’s  neither of those than who is it the wider public need to be protected from?

Spineless trembly gimps like yourself would  be having the old bill cancel carnivals

and festivals next because a few innocent or guilty parties always end up getting attacked and injured at those as well.

The fucking plod always have massive over arching excessive powers at football so they best pull their fingers out and do it at this game like they have done at English football grounds for years.

 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Mixedkebab said:

 

Any attacks from spilling over into the wider public is what you said. 
And I replied from Marauding Maccabi fans or their enemies. 

If it’s  neither of those than who is it the wider public need to be protected from?

Spineless trembly gimps like yourself would  be having the old bill cancel carnivals

and festivals next because a few innocent or guilty parties always end up getting attacked and injured at those as well.

The fucking plod always have massive over arching excessive powers at football so they best pull their fingers out and do it at this game like they have done at English football grounds for years.

 

Calm yourself, read the posts, have a think and then reply. I was talking about collateral from any violence from people with an issue with Israeli's.

I await your apology.

[Lord Duckhunter]

1 hour ago, egg said:

What irritates is that people jump down people's throats when they conflate Jewish with Israeli, but choose to do it when it suits them. Pick a lane. 

“Pick a lane” 😂

Here's my lane. IMO the vast majority of the Muslim community leaders and activists “criticising”, Isreal are actually anti semitic. “Isreal” or “Zionist” is code for Jews. They hate Jews because they’re Jews. The creation of Isreal and its subsequent behaviour have given them a get out, which can mask their hatred of Jews. At least Nick Griffin & his Neanderthal’s were up front, they didn’t try to say “we don’t hate Blacks, we’re just opposed to the Jamaican or Gambian Government”. These supporters are as responsible for the West Bank or Gaza as much as I was responsible for Northern Ireland. Why shouldn’t they be welcomed to come and support their team, and why would this not be an issue if the game was in another part of the country. Because Birmingham is a steaming hot bed of prejudice and it’s no coincidence given  the make up of that particular community. 
 

Hamas have agreed a ceasefire, but these guys can’t come to our country and support their team. A national disgrace imo. 

Edited 21 hours ago by Lord Duckhunter

[hypochondriac]

28 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Yeah, cos everyone who has an issue with what the Israeli's have done are Muslims. Social Media has been full of English white non-religious people being outraged at what has been going on in Gaza. Birmingham is our second largest city, it has a high population of every religion.

Apart from that, just more anti-Muslim shit from you in the rest of your post. We get it, you hate Muslim's. You've made that quite clear.

I never said that. It's a fact there's a high population of Muslims in Birmingham and Israelis walking around in public as an Israeli is likely to be less safe than many other areas of the country. 

[hypochondriac]

39 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I would assume Jewish Villa fans are allowed to go though aren't they? In which this is an Israeli thing.

I assume Jewish villa fans won't be recognisable. A load of Haifa fans would be recognisable as Israeli which is why they would be less safe and more liable to be attacked.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I never said that. It's a fact there's a high population of Muslims in Birmingham and Israelis walking around in public as an Israeli is likely to be less safe than many other areas of the country. 

4 times that in London. A similar percentage in Manchester and Liverpool. 

Not sure there are many places they can go then.

[hypochondriac]

5 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Calm yourself, read the posts, have a think and then reply. I was talking about collateral from any violence from people with an issue with Israeli's.

I await your apology.

Should any gathering of Israelis be cancelled in high Muslim population areas of the UK lest a section of them are unable to control themselves? 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I assume Jewish villa fans won't be recognisable. A load of Haifa fans would be recognisable as Israeli which is why they would be less safe and more liable to be attacked.

Maybe give them all a free Villa shirt then?

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

4 times that in London. A similar percentage in Manchester and Liverpool. 

Not sure there are many places they can go then.

If that's true then what does that say?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Should any gathering of Israelis be cancelled in high Muslim population areas of the UK lest a section of them are unable to control themselves? 

I think in the UK full stop, I don't buy into the Muslim thing like you do.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

If that's true then what does that say?

That all cities have a Muslim population?

[hypochondriac]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

Maybe give them all a free Villa shirt then?

I know this is said in jest but I'm sure there are security measures they can implement that can mitigate any violence before it gets to that. You know there's loads of people in this country desperate to have a scrap with some real life Israelis.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

I know this is said in jest but I'm sure there are security measures they can implement that can mitigate any violence before it gets to that. You know there's loads of people in this country desperate to have a scrap with some real life Israelis.

Absolutely there are, and my point is they're not all Muslim.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think in the UK full stop, I don't buy into the Muslim thing like you do.

You don't think that different demographics in cities have an impact on how safe certain identities are ?

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

Absolutely there are, and my point is they're not all Muslim.

Again, I never said they were.

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You don't think that different demographics in cities have an impact on how safe certain identities are ?

I think they do, but clearly not as much as you do. I also think the amount of white people that think the Israeli government are fucking cunts outnumber the amount of Muslim's.

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Again, I never said they were.

Fine, so we agree. The Israeli fans are at danger from a broad section of society.

[Lord Duckhunter]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

You know there's loads of people in this country desperate to have a scrap with some real life Israelis.

Fuck me, they really shouldn’t. Most I've met won’t fuck about, including the chicks. Workshop boy & his chanting halfwits will get mullered.  

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Fine, so we agree. The Israeli fans are at danger from a broad section of society.

Public Israeli fans will statistically be at greater risk in areas of the country that have higher levels of anti-Semitism. That will include areas with high Muslim populations like Birmingham. Again, not all Muslims or individuals living in Birmingham. 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think they do, but clearly not as much as you do. I also think the amount of white people that think the Israeli government are fucking cunts outnumber the amount of Muslim's.

If I walked through Birmingham wearing a Haifa top and singing a football chant, who do you think would be most likely to confront me? 

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If I walked through Birmingham wearing a Haifa top and singing a football chant, who do you think would be most likely to confront me? 

Villa fans. Most people wouldn't recognise a Haifa top.

Edited 21 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

9 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Public Israeli fans will statistically be at greater risk in areas of the country that have higher levels of anti-Semitism. That will include areas with high Muslim populations like Birmingham. Again, not all Muslims or individuals living in Birmingham. 

I genuinely don't have the energy to argue with you, it's so tedious. I would prefer less people to get injured or killed as a result of the despicable way the war in Gaza was handled by the Israeli's, and banning Israeli fans from travelling is the most sensible way to do that.

That's it.

Edited 21 hours ago by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I genuinely don't have the energy to argue with you, it's so tedious. I would prefer less people to get injured or killed as a result of the despicable way the war in Gaza was handled by the Israeli's, and banning Israeli fans from travelling is the most sensible way to do that.

That's it.

Should we ban all depictions of the prophet Muhammed? Banning them would be the most sensible way to stop people getting injured or killed.

Edited 21 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Should we ban all depictions of the prophet Muhammed? Banning the.Would be the most sensible way to stop people getting injured or killed.

I took a few weeks off because I found a lot of posters on here were so fucking tedious. Thank you for reminding me of why I did, and why I'll go on another hiatus. 

God I feel sorry for your Muslim family.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I took a few weeks off because I found a lot of posters on here were so fucking tedious. Thank you for reminding me of why I did, and why I'll go on another hiatus. 

God I feel sorry for your Muslim family.

You realise you can just ignore questions if they upset you? The point is you don't cave into terrorism and threats of violence. 

Edited 21 hours ago by hypochondriac

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

You realise you can just ignore questions if they upset you?

I'm not upset, I just despair that I have to breathe the same air as some of you mouth breathers, that's all.

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, Farmer Saint said:

I'm not upset, I just despair that I have to breathe the same air as some of you mouth breathers, that's all.

Personally I think if you lower yourself to pathetic insults then you've already lost but you do you.

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

Personally I think if you lower yourself to pathetic insults then you've already lost but you do you.

Sorry, not sure where I insulted you?

[LuckyNumber7]

45 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why do you think it's just Muslims? I think it's down to Netanyahu that he has put those supporters in danger with repeated war crimes, yes.

Probably not just muslims, but you don't think they pose the biggest threat? If anyone causes violence, it is they who are responsible, not Netanyahu.

If for example a Russian team was coming to play instead, do you think there'd be the same level of threat to the visiting fans from the local populace?

[Sergei Gotsmanov]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

I would assume Jewish Villa fans are allowed to go though aren't they? In which this is an Israeli thing.

Short of patrolling the urinals I don't think that Jewish Villa Fans make such an obvious target as the Maccabi supporters. Thankfully they don't wear a yellow star these days. 

[AlexLaw76]

Continuing with the bending of the knee to a backwards way of life

what a strange place this country is becoming 

Guess Refrom will solidify their place way out ahead in the polls.

Edited 19 hours ago by AlexLaw76

[egg]

3 hours ago, Lord Duckhunter said:

“Pick a lane” 😂

Here's my lane. IMO the vast majority of the Muslim community leaders and activists “criticising”, Isreal are actually anti semitic. “Isreal” or “Zionist” is code for Jews. They hate Jews because they’re Jews. The creation of Isreal and its subsequent behaviour have given them a get out, which can mask their hatred of Jews. At least Nick Griffin & his Neanderthal’s were up front, they didn’t try to say “we don’t hate Blacks, we’re just opposed to the Jamaican or Gambian Government”. These supporters are as responsible for the West Bank or Gaza as much as I was responsible for Northern Ireland. Why shouldn’t they be welcomed to come and support their team, and why would this not be an issue if the game was in another part of the country. Because Birmingham is a steaming hot bed of prejudice and it’s no coincidence given  the make up of that particular community. 
 

Hamas have agreed a ceasefire, but these guys can’t come to our country and support their team. A national disgrace imo. 

That's bollox.

SoG refers to Israeli people as Jews - you say he's out of order. 

Badenoch refers to Israeli people as Jews - bang on apparently. 

That's a huge inconsistency, and a position used by people like you and Badenoch to support your position, and to oppose someone else's. 

What you've done here is essentially label all anti Israeli government people as anti semitic. That's bang out of order, and absolute nonsense. 

I dislike the murderous behaviour of the Israeli government. I dislike the various Israeli's I've seen footage of who champion the killing of Palestinian children. I dislike settlers who steal homes and land in the West Bank. That doesn't make me anti semitic. 

It says more about you than me if you cannot see that people can take issue with the behaviour of the government who lead a group of people, and the behaviour of some of the people in that group of people, but not hold prejudice against that group of people or the religion that underpins it. 

[Lord Duckhunter]

17 hours ago, egg said:

What you've done here is essentially label all anti Israeli government people as anti semitic. That's bang out of order, and absolute nonsense. 

“All”, now who’s spouting “absolute nonsense”.
 

Where have I done that. You’ve been critical of the Israeli Government, I don’t cal, you anti semitic. My argument is clearly too complicated for you, which is a shame.

What I said was SOME (and imo a majority of activists & community leaders) hide their antisemitism behind a mask of being anti Isreal. They use “Zionist” and “Israeli” when they clearly mean Jews. If Nick Griffin said he didn’t hate blacks, just the Jamaican government I’m sure you wouldn’t jump to his defence.