Israel

[hypochondriac]

16 minutes ago, egg said:

For a start, the videos you laughed at, show elderly folk being arrested during peaceful process. 

Yes, their peaceful protest involved the name of the newly proscribed organisation, but I see the protest in part as being against that proclamation. 

Why were they arrested? Was it for peaceful protest?

Edited Monday at 10:57 by hypochondriac

[egg]

19 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Why were they arrested? Was it for peaceful protest?

Were they protesting peacefully? 

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, egg said:

Were they protesting peacefully? 

Aren't you the one who routinely says I don't answer questions? Were these people arrested for peacefully protesting, or was it for something else?

[Saint86]

https://news.sky.com/story/israel-not-committing-genocide-in-gaza-but-casualties-and-destruction-are-utterly-appalling-says-uk-government-13427380

Imagine this stance will change subject to whoever wins the deputy leader contest.

[egg]

19 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Aren't you the one who routinely says I don't answer questions? Were these people arrested for peacefully protesting, or was it for something else?

Were they protesting peacefully? It's a simple yes or no, but I'll assume that you agree that they were unless you say otherwise. 

And we know why they were arrested. Stupid of you to question it. 

[hypochondriac]

7 minutes ago, egg said:

Were they protesting peacefully? It's a simple yes or no, but I'll assume that you agree that they were unless you say otherwise. 

And we know why they were arrested. Stupid of you to question it. 

So the answer is they weren't arrested for peacefully protesting. So whether they were peaceful or not is an irrelevance. They were always free to protest peacefully.

[egg]

Just now, hypochondriac said:

So the answer is they weren't arrested for peacefully protesting. So whether they were peaceful or not is an irrelevance. They were always free to protest peacefully.

Thanks, so we agree that peaceful protesters were carted off unceremoniously. 

Were the arrests unnecessary in your opinion? Given your unwillingness to criticise the IDF behaviour, I suspect not but I thought I'd ask. 

[hypochondriac]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Thanks, so we agree that peaceful protesters were carted off unceremoniously. 

Were the arrests unnecessary in your opinion? Given your unwillingness to criticise the IDF behaviour, I suspect not but I thought I'd ask. 

I think if an organisation is proscribed and you go out of your way to support that organisation then you know the consequences and can have no complaints. That applies to any organisation of that type. Blame the people who took the actions that got it proscribed. No reason at all that you can't protest without openly supporting a proscribed organisation. 

[hypochondriac]

The point is no one is getting arrested for peaceful protest or for protesting Israel. Everyone is still free to do so.

[Sheaf Saint]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

The point is no one is getting arrested for peaceful protest or for protesting Israel. Everyone is still free to do so.

They are peacefully protesting against Israel's actions in Gaza AND against the government's absurd decision to proscribe PA as a terrorist organisation. Surely you get that?

[hypochondriac]

3 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

They are peacefully protesting against Israel's actions in Gaza AND against the government's absurd decision to proscribe PA as a terrorist organisation. Surely you get that?

Fine. They are free to do one and not the other. If you support a proscribed organisation you know it will likely lead to your arrest. If I go to protests with signs supporting patriotic alternative because I disagree with their designation then I'd expect to be arrested. It doesn't matter how peaceful my protest is.

Edited Tuesday at 08:41 by hypochondriac

[Sheaf Saint]

3 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Fine. They are free to do one and not the other. If you support a proscribed organisation you know it will likely lead to your arrest. If I go to protests with signs supporting patriotic alternative because I disagree with their designation then I'd expect to be arrested. It doesn't matter how peaceful my protest is.

Yes, and I expect many of them did expect to get arrested and in some cases probably even wanted it to happen, to highlight the ridiculous waste of police time and resources. Arresting 900 people for doing nothing but holding up a banner or wearing a T shirt is complete overkill and not sustainable, and this action is intended to force the gov into a rethink of its decision to proscribe PA as terrorists when they are nothing of the sort. It was a knee-jerk response to them embarrassing the MOD. 

"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson.

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12 minutes ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Yes, and I expect many of them did expect to get arrested and in some cases probably even wanted it to happen, to highlight the ridiculous waste of police time and resources. Arresting 900 people for doing nothing but holding up a banner or wearing a T shirt is complete overkill and not sustainable, and this action is intended to force the gov into a rethink of its decision to proscribe PA as terrorists when they are nothing of the sort. It was a knee-jerk response to them embarrassing the MOD. 

"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson.

Indeed. For many it was a dual protest. Protesting specifically against the proscription of PA isn't possible. 

[hypochondriac]

54 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. For many it was a dual protest. Protesting specifically against the proscription of PA isn't possible. 

Erm. Yes it is.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Sheaf Saint said:

Yes, and I expect many of them did expect to get arrested and in some cases probably even wanted it to happen, to highlight the ridiculous waste of police time and resources. Arresting 900 people for doing nothing but holding up a banner or wearing a T shirt is complete overkill and not sustainable, and this action is intended to force the gov into a rethink of its decision to proscribe PA as terrorists when they are nothing of the sort. It was a knee-jerk response to them embarrassing the MOD. 

"When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson.

It's achieved nothing other than getting a few wallies arrested. They can keep doing it and keep getting arrested and eventually probably end up with a criminal record like the numpties in extinction rebellion.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

It's achieved nothing other than getting a few wallies arrested. They can keep doing it and keep getting arrested and eventually probably end up with a criminal record like the numpties in extinction rebellion.

The fact that we're discussing it suggests that it has done something. 

[hypochondriac]

12 minutes ago, egg said:

The fact that we're discussing it suggests that it has done something. 

Well done. It's still proscribed and you're still getting locked up for supporting it and you've achieved a few lines discussing it on a web forum. Well worth getting arrested for. 

[skintsaint]

https://apnews.com/article/qatar-explosion-doha-e319dd51b170161372442831a8023db5

Allegedly Hamas leader Khalil al-Hayya was eliminated.

[hypochondriac]

22 minutes ago, skintsaint said:

https://apnews.com/article/qatar-explosion-doha-e319dd51b170161372442831a8023db5

Allegedly Hamas leader Khalil al-Hayya was eliminated.

They might have killed all the leaders in Qatar. Boom! Fuck around and find out losers. Great success.

Edited Tuesday at 14:28 by hypochondriac

[Sheaf Saint]

1 hour ago, hypochondriac said:

They might have killed all the leaders in Qatar. Boom! Fuck around and find out losers. Great success.

Or they might not have, while they were debating whether or not to accept the terms of the cease fire agreement. In which case this action has probably all but signed a death warrant for the remaining hostages.

Either way, breaking all international laws and bombing a country they're not at war with to eliminate people meeting to discuss a cease fire is not a great look, wouldn't you agree? 

[Farmer Saint]

Can you imagine the British government bombing New York because Jerry Adams was having a meeting there?

[hypochondriac]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Can you imagine the British government bombing New York because Jerry Adams was having a meeting there?

What a great analogy.

[Farmer Saint]

30 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

What a great analogy.

I know, he's not brown, so probably not seen as fair game.

Edited Tuesday at 17:14 by Farmer Saint

[rallyboy]

5 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

They might have killed all the leaders in Qatar. Boom! Fuck around and find out losers. Great success.

Indeed, bombing Qatar should return the hostages and bring peace within days.

A really great plan and a roaring success.

 

 

 

 

[hypochondriac]

9 minutes ago, rallyboy said:

Indeed, bombing Qatar should return the hostages and bring peace within days.

A really great plan and a roaring success.

 

 

 

 

Alternative tactics has really brought the war to an end swiftly and got all the hostages back. I bet if the Hamas general could look at things now he would have released the remaining hostages sooner. If he wasn't blown to bits.

[egg]

13 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Alternative tactics has really brought the war to an end swiftly and got all the hostages back. I bet if the Hamas general could look at things now he would have released the remaining hostages sooner. If he wasn't blown to bits.

Even Trump is talking more sense than you over the Qatar bombing, acknowledging that it doesn't advance either US or Israeli interests. Or to put it another way, that it was a stupid idea. 

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

Even Trump is talking more sense than you over the Qatar bombing, acknowledging that it doesn't advance either US or Israeli interests. Or to put it another way, that it was a stupid idea. 

Another few dead terrorists and mass murderers. Cry more.

[egg]

1 minute ago, hypochondriac said:

Another few dead terrorists and mass murderers. Cry more.

You've shown yourself to be an inhumane cunt during this "war" mate. There's universal outrage amongst normal thinking people about what's going in Gaza, and what's happened in Qatar, for good reason. 

[Farmer Saint]

22 minutes ago, egg said:

You've shown yourself to be an inhumane cunt during this "war" mate. There's universal outrage amongst normal thinking people about what's going in Gaza, and what's happened in Qatar, for good reason. 

I think what I've realised over the past few days, is that there are some proper shit human beings on this site. I feel like it may be an act, but otherwise I really hope these people don't have people in their lives that could be influenced by them. Nasty motherfuckers and probably shouldn't have dependents if they do.

[hypochondriac]

2 hours ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think what I've realised over the past few days, is that there are some proper shit human beings on this site. I feel like it may be an act, but otherwise I really hope these people don't have people in their lives that could be influenced by them. Nasty motherfuckers and probably shouldn't have dependents if they do.

Calling people racist is a pretty despicable and nasty thing to do so I agree with you there are some proper shit human beings on this site.

[inspectorfrost]

15 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

They might have killed all the leaders in Qatar. Boom! Fuck around and find out losers. Great success.

FYI these are the guys who have been running 'security' at the Gaza aid distribution aid sites

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2zy4l8jgeo

[Farmer Saint]

6 hours ago, hypochondriac said:

Calling people racist is a pretty despicable and nasty thing to do so I agree with you there are some proper shit human beings on this site.

It depends if they're being racist or not I'd say.

[Weston Super Saint]

Credit where it's due.  Apparently only one child was killed in the latest Israeli bombing raid and that was the son of the Hamas leader, so they're getting better at not killing children (for now).

[Farmer Saint]

56 minutes ago, inspectorfrost said:

FYI these are the guys who have been running 'security' at the Gaza aid distribution aid sites

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2zy4l8jgeo

FFS

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

It depends if they're being racist or not I'd say.

Indeed but calling someone racist without evidence is a pretty disgusting thing to do.

[hypochondriac]

1 hour ago, inspectorfrost said:

FYI these are the guys who have been running 'security' at the Gaza aid distribution aid sites

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cm2zy4l8jgeo

Seems like a pretty stupid thing to do.

[egg]

4 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed but calling someone racist without evidence is a pretty disgusting thing to do.

Ha! You joined a chorus of people branding SoG as anti semitic, which he isn't, but your attitudes to the deaths of Muslims is appalling. 

To crown it, you mock him for highlighting his non white acquaintances, whereas your persona sometimes claims to have a Muslim wife. 

Glasshouses/stones. 

[Farmer Saint]

12 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Indeed but calling someone racist without evidence is a pretty disgusting thing to do.

Yeah, but if they've said or done things that the poster has interpreted as racist then that is fine 👍

Edited Wednesday at 07:12 by Farmer Saint

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

Ha! You joined a chorus of people branding SoG as anti semitic, which he isn't, but your attitudes to the deaths of Muslims is appalling. 

To crown it, you mock him for highlighting his non white acquaintances, whereas your persona sometimes claims to have a Muslim wife. 

Glasshouses/stones. 

It's a very "I have mates who are black so I can't be racist" defence. Of course, he may also be making that up, who knows?

[hypochondriac]

19 minutes ago, egg said:

Ha! You joined a chorus of people branding SoG as anti semitic, which he isn't, but your attitudes to the deaths of Muslims is appalling. 

To crown it, you mock him for highlighting his non white acquaintances, whereas your persona sometimes claims to have a Muslim wife. 

Glasshouses/stones. 

Eh? And I've never claimed to have a Muslim wife.

[hypochondriac]

13 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

It's a very "I have mates who are black so I can't be racist" defence. Of course, he may also be making that up, who knows?

I don't have a Muslim wife.

[hypochondriac]

23 minutes ago, egg said:

Ha! You joined a chorus of people branding SoG as anti semitic, which he isn't, but your attitudes to the deaths of Muslims is appalling. 

To crown it, you mock him for highlighting his non white acquaintances, whereas your persona sometimes claims to have a Muslim wife. 

Glasshouses/stones. 

Where?

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

I don't have a Muslim wife.

Sorry, it must be the way you've written in the past about it for multiple people to misunderstand. Is it that she comes from a Muslim family but doesn't practice then or something like that?

[egg]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sorry, it must be the way you've written in the past about it for multiple people to misunderstand. Is it that she comes from a Muslim family but doesn't practice then or something like that?

Indeed. The impression has been given of having a Muslim wife and in-laws. Very odd to now suggest otherwise. 

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Sorry, it must be the way you've written in the past about it for multiple people to misunderstand. Is it that she comes from a Muslim family but doesn't practice then or something like that?

If you have evidence of any of that in any of my posts then I'll apologise. My father in law is a Muslim.

[hypochondriac]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

Indeed. The impression has been given of having a Muslim wife and in-laws. Very odd to now suggest otherwise. 

Not odd at all. At no point have I ever claimed that my wife is a Muslim .

[Farmer Saint]

6 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

If you have evidence of any of that in any of my posts then I'll apologise. My father in law is a Muslim.

Well, due to the no search function on this site that ain't happening. All I will say is that multiple people misinterpreted what you wrote. That happens on forums.

[hypochondriac]

17 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Well, due to the no search function on this site that ain't happening. All I will say is that multiple people misinterpreted what you wrote. That happens on forums.

Fortunately we can find evidence from even a lunatic like soggy from last year. Although he's obviously taken what I said completely out of context and interpreted it wrongly even he knows I have been explicit about my wife NOT being a Muslim. You're entirely wrong I'm afraid as I've never claimed she was. Any impression you and egg got were errors on your part I'm afraid. I've always been quite clear.

Edited Wednesday at 08:04 by hypochondriac

[Farmer Saint]

7 minutes ago, hypochondriac said:

Fortunately we can find evidence from even a lunatic like soggy from last year. Although he's obviously taken what I said completely out of context and interpreted it wrongly even he knows I have been explicit about my wife NOT being a Muslim. You're entirely wrong I'm afraid as I've never claimed she was.

Someone else misinterpreting what you're written. Seems to be a pattern here...

I never claimed you said she was, all I said is posts have clearly been misinterpreted because that was the impression I got. You seem very aggressive about this.

Unless we have read ALL your posts, this is clearly something that could be misunderstood. You seem to be arguing against something that I haven't said here - Egg may have said that but I didn't.

Edited Wednesday at 08:05 by Farmer Saint

[hypochondriac]

4 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I never claimed you said she was, all I said is posts have clearly been misinterpreted because that was the impression I got. You seem very aggressive about this.

Unless we have read ALL your posts, this is clearly something that could be misunderstood. You seem to be arguing against something that I haven't said here - Egg may have said that but I didn't.

I'm just being clear. Given that there is a history from some posters on here of misinterpreting what I have said in the past and then attempting to use imagined posts against me that I haven't said I'd say it's worth being explicit about it. Glad we could clear it up.

Edited Wednesday at 08:08 by hypochondriac