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Chez

Chez

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31 minutes ago, ErwinK1961 said:

“Anthony Sheldon has joined as a Video Scout, having previously been a Software Engineer at Barclays.”

😂😂😂

When you want someone to identify football talent, what better place to look for it than the software engineering department of a bank? It's this kind of out of the box thinking that has er, kept the ball out of the box (and the net). Not ours, obviously.

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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3 hours ago, Chez said:

When you want someone to identify football talent, what better place to look for it than the software engineering department of a bank? It's this kind of out of the box thinking that has er, kept the ball out of the box (and the net). Not ours, obviously.

He does have football experience, he was an analyst for Dorking Wanderers FC. He is in his early 20s, has relevant software experience and has had early experience in football. Perhaps he is rather good at it, hence a quick jump to the Championship. 

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Chez

Chez

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2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He does have football experience, he was an analyst for Dorking Wanderers FC.

Excellent. 

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Badger

Badger

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29 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He does have football experience, he was an analyst for Dorking Wanderers FC.

Cutting Edge stuff then.

I’ve been analysing Saints performances since 1969. I’ll certainly be adding that to my CV and perhaps apply.

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Gloucester Saint

Gloucester Saint

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49 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He does have football experience, he was an analyst for Dorking Wanderers FC.

Torquay United are my second team, but if Saints appointed their analyst, I’d be raising serious eyebrows knowing that level and the fact Dorking also finished in the Conference South play-offs. 

Badger

Badger

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1 hour ago, ErwinK1961 said:

“Anthony Sheldon has joined as a Video Scout, having previously been a Software Engineer at Barclays.”

😂😂😂

 

54 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He does have football experience, he was an analyst for Dorking Wanderers FC.

 

3 minutes ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Torquay United are my second team, but if Saints appointed their analyst, I’d be raising serious eyebrows knowing that level and the fact Dorking also finished in the Conference South play-offs. 

Got to give Spors the benefit of the doubt, that he knows what he’s doing and is assembling his team to take us forward.

That said, the brief background reading on a bloke with bank experience, and at Dorking, along with the other young one  featured , Strapley or whatever his name ( who I think someone commented looked about 16 and yet to start shaving) doesn’t immediately inspire confidence and make you think we’re really going to hit the ground running. 

tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

He does have football experience, he was an analyst for Dorking Wanderers FC.

If this Is the start of the Spors/SR revolution, it’s very impressive 🙄

Barclays and Dorking, absolutely glowing endorsement 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

He does have football experience, he was an analyst for Dorking Wanderers FC.

 

2 hours ago, Chez said:

Excellent. 

 

2 hours ago, Badger said:

Cutting Edge stuff then.

I’ve been analysing Saints performances since 1969. I’ll certainly be adding that to my CV and perhaps apply.

 

1 hour ago, Gloucester Saint said:

Torquay United are my second team, but if Saints appointed their analyst, I’d be raising serious eyebrows knowing that level and the fact Dorking also finished in the Conference South play-offs. 

 

1 hour ago, Osvaldorama said:

It all makes sense when you consider SR are preparing for league one 

 

2 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

If this Is the start of the Spors/SR revolution, it’s very impressive 🙄

Barclays and Dorking, absolutely glowing endorsement 

 

Video scouts are often very young, it is a foot in the door role at clubs. He is in his early 20s and already has experience at a very progressive club in non league.

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tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Video scouts are often very young, it is a foot in the door role at clubs. He is in his early 20s and already has experience at a very progressive club in non league.

Non League FFS

I guess SR competency expectations are aligned with their abilities 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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1 hour ago, Badger said:

along with the other young one  featured , Strapley or whatever his name ( who I think someone commented looked about 16 and yet to start shaving) doesn’t immediately inspire confidence and make you think we’re really going to hit the ground running. 

He isn’t fresh out of school. He is a 27 year old with a masters degree in physics at a good Uni. He has 3 years experience in top level football in an analyst role and another 3 years experience as a software engineer for a major football software company. Given his role at Saints, all very relevant.

Turkish

Turkish

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1 hour ago, Badger said:

 

 

Got to give Spors the benefit of the doubt, that he knows what he’s doing and is assembling his team to take us forward.

That said, the brief background reading on a bloke with bank experience, and at Dorking, along with the other young one  featured , Strapley or whatever his name ( who I think someone commented looked about 16 and yet to start shaving) doesn’t immediately inspire confidence and make you think we’re really going to hit the ground running. 

Strapley also used to be a software engineer 

I guess being a prerequisite to work in elite sport is to have previously been a software engineer 

https://trainingground.guru/stapley-appointed-assistant-technical-director-by-southampton/

 

Turkish

Turkish

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Just now, Matthew Le God said:

He isn’t fresh out of school. He is a 27 year old with a masters degree in physics at a good Uni. He has 3 years experience in top level football in an analyst role and another 3 years experience as a software engineer for a major football software company. Given his role at Saints, all very relevant.

Nobody said he was 

another strawman 🤦🤦

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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6 minutes ago, tdmickey3 said:

Non League FFS

I guess SR competency expectations are aligned with their abilities 

Or perhaps people in their early 20s rapidly progressing in their career up the football pyramid because they are good at what they do.

Turkish

Turkish

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1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Football data scientists... use data, computers and maths. He has a masters in physics. A past as a software engineer is very relevant.

I guess a past in being an analyst on a computer game isn’t though, given they gave the job you went for to someone else 😂😂😂😂

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Badger

Badger

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2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He isn’t fresh out of school. He is a 27 year old with a masters degree in physics at a good Uni. He has 3 years experience in top level football in an analyst role and another 3 years experience as a software engineer for a major football software company. Given his role at Saints, all very relevant.

Okay, this is just further proof I'm getting old

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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19 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Video scouts are often very young, it is a foot in the door role at clubs. He is in his early 20s and already has experience at a very progressive club in non league.

 

7 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

He isn’t fresh out of school. He is a 27 year old with a masters degree in physics at a good Uni. He has 3 years experience in top level football in an analyst role and another 3 years experience as a software engineer for a major football software company. Given his role at Saints, all very relevant.

Which is it?

Other than that, your stalking of video scouts, which you declare no interest in as a role, who got your job is suitably creepy.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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2 minutes ago, Badger said:

Okay, this is just further proof I'm getting old

Aye. Back in our day, you could just stand at gate 'o the pit. The lad that wasn't coughing up blood got signed in the midfield for Saturday. 🙂

Turkish

Turkish

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5 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

Well, of course!

Imagine trying to fit in with SR if you came from some weird background...like football. 🙂

 

everyone is a data company these days. 

We are a data company who just happen to have a football club as a product 

 

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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1 minute ago, Turkish said:

I guess a past in being an analyst on a computer game isn’t though, given they gave the job you went for to someone else 😂😂😂😂

Nice try. Wrong again on two counts...

1) I am not an analyst on a computer game. I'm a volunteer researcher. 

2) Only job I would apply for at Saints is as an academy teacher.

miserableoldgit

miserableoldgit

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16 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

 

Which is it?

Other than that, your stalking of video scouts, which you declare no interest in as a role, who got your job is suitably creepy.

Stalking?? image.thumb.jpeg.f1241ddb42beffb6690c1b3d22a80445.jpeg

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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10 minutes ago, Holmes_and_Watson said:

1)Which is it?

2) Other than that, your stalking of video scouts, which you declare no interest in as a role, who got your job is suitably creepy.

1) If you followed the conversation rather than fail to score a point, you'd realise we have been discussing two different new members of staff at Saints. One is Spors' assistant and is 27 years old, the other is a video scout in his early 20s.

2) I need to be aware of their careers to put them at Saints on FM26.  

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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21 minutes ago, Turkish said:

 

everyone is a data company these days. 

We are a data company who just happen to have a football club as a product 

 

A data and player trading company using the medium of soccer to chaordically transition traditional business models.

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Exactly!

Beyond @Holmes_and_Watsonand @Turkish understanding of modern football. 

At no point have I dismissed the skills, application or goal of anyone to take on a video scouting role.

On the contrary, my posts have been in response to you sniffly giving the impression they were beneath you ( your educational career coming unstuck minutes later by not being able to count to two, and containing errors you're first to pull others up for).

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Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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2 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

No

In your opinion, given the scientific skills underpinning an evolving data analysis industry, does FM reflect it well?

Does having such skills available, either in house or outsourced, add anything for a club in game, or is it window dressing?

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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Just now, Holmes_and_Watson said:

1) In your opinion, given the scientific skills underpinning an evolving data analysis industry, does FM reflect it well?

2) Does having such skills available, either in house or outsourced, add anything for a club in game, or is it window dressing?

1) It reflects it in a simplified way so it is accessible for non data analysts. Pretty much every role in the game is based on input from real life people in those roles giving SI info on how to improve the simulation. 

2) In FM, the the better your analysts... the more indepth the data you get to see.

Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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Just now, Turkish said:

That’s funny given your other login in once claimed Alfonso Davies was one of the worlds best right backs 😂😂😂

What on earth are you on about now! I've never had another account on this forum. 

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Chez

Chez

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

He has 3 years experience in top level football in an analyst role 

Top

noun
  1. 1.
    the highest or uppermost point, part, or surface of something.
     
    I'm just pulling your leg MLG. I'm sure he will do a great job and can be our very own Paul DePodesta.
Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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13 minutes ago, Chez said:

Top

noun
  1. 1.
    the highest or uppermost point, part, or surface of something.
     
    I'm just pulling your leg MLG. I'm sure he will do a great job and can be our very own Paul DePodesta.

Serie A is the top of the Italian football pyramid. 

Holmes_and_Watson

Holmes_and_Watson

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1 hour ago, Matthew Le God said:

1) It reflects it in a simplified way so it is accessible for non data analysts. Pretty much every role in the game is based on input from real life people in those roles giving SI info on how to improve the simulation. 

2) In FM, the the better your analysts... the more indepth the data you get to see.

Using Mowbray as an example, having a multi levelled structure, with fluid job specs between clubs can make it difficult to determine just how capable/ successful someone really is.

Evolving scouting reports, data analysts, the software they use and third party or in house competency would all play a part.

A person at the head of recruitment may not have the time to turn round the structure, either being tied to old models/ skills within a club, be part of a wider decisions making group, and lots of other constraints.

Keeping FM in mind, along with ourselves, we had Ross Wilson. Going well with us, until it wasn't. Going well with Rangers for a bit, but strongly criticised at the end. Perhaps not there at the start of Forest's overhaul, but certainly part of recent windows and their success.

Now if you were going to tie that into his current ability, it would be all over the place. But keeping them within the FM guidelines of staff at top clubs, would presumably keep it more level.

The same would apply to Spors. He's been part of several large clubs, and groups, and has brought people in to support him. I think we all can see plenty of obstacles in the way. So, keeping some perspective is important.

Wilson got abuse at Rangers because their budget needed everyone to be a financial hit, while also being able to deliver immediate on field success, on a very modest budget.

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Chez

Chez

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6 minutes ago, Matthew Le God said:

Serie A is the top of the Italian football pyramid. 

Yes it is. Was that where Sheldon worked before joining Dorking? 

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Chez

Chez

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I thought we were discussing the video analyst Anthony Sheldon. 

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Matthew Le God

Matthew Le God

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1 minute ago, Give it to Ron said:

Did I say he doesn’t? 

Did I say, that you said that he doesn't? No 🤔

I was just pointing out Dorking Wanderers have been extremely successful since they were founded. 12 promotions in quick succession through non league.

Give it to Ron

Give it to Ron

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1 minute ago, Matthew Le God said:

Did I say, that you said that he doesn't? No 🤔

I was just pointing out Dorking Wanderers have been extremely successful since they were founded. 12 promotions in quick succession through non league.

I can’t be arsed to discuss anymore with you I can’t decide if your a troll, pedantic, ill or just lonely.

tdmickey3

tdmickey3

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2 hours ago, Matthew Le God said:

Or perhaps people in their early 20s rapidly progressing in their career up the football pyramid because they are good at what they do.

Ahahahahaah rapidly at Dorking

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