The Starmer Years - Can The New Broom Sweep Clean?

[sadoldgit]

Something else I just pulled out of the bag. Don’t pretend that you don’t know what I did for a living nic.

https://taxjustice.net/press/hmrc-data-debunks-uk-non-dom-exodus-claims-ft-reports/#:~:text=HMRC data debunks UK non-dom exodus claims%2C FT reports,-Mark Bou Mansour&text=New data from the UK's,exodus%2C says the Financial Times.

80% of the UK millionaires support a wealth tax. Rather blows your theory out of the water.

Edited August 14 by sadoldgit

[Turkish]

6 minutes ago, sadoldgit said:

Something else I just pulled out of the bag. Don’t pretend that you don’t know what I did for a living nic.

https://taxjustice.net/press/hmrc-data-debunks-uk-non-dom-exodus-claims-ft-reports/#:~:text=HMRC data debunks UK non-dom exodus claims%2C FT reports,-Mark Bou Mansour&text=New data from the UK's,exodus%2C says the Financial Times.

Depending on which post you read you prosecuted rape, prosecuted knife crime, had some gig at the Guaridan, but it turned out you were head of typing and spent a lot of time on coffee breaks, before being put on the scrap heap when everything went computerised. Are you now claiming to be a tax expert?!!!

Edited August 14 by Turkish

[whelk]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

If I quoted the Daily Mail you would laugh. This guy is a one man band socialist working out of his bedroom. If this is the scope of research data you guys are relying on that looks desperate., in my opinion. Whelk - what do you do? Why will nobody explain their jobs.

My point is there is no clear cut data either way. There are clear agendas in certain parts of media to swipe at Starmer and Reeves at every turn. 
Farmer has shown that there is clearly no Marxist agenda to hammer the wealthy.

You seem to be living in past with preconceived ideas of what you fear Labour might do, rather than what they have actually done. I get you have greedy mates running scared. Btw last quarters GDP growth was above forecasts albeit 0.3%. 

Your doom narrative is very convenient to support your political views but not too much substance in your argument other than anecdotal.

I have made my views clear here plenty of times about the clear complexity of fixing ageing population and the health and welfare needs, creaking underfunded infrastructure, unprecedented immigration that needs tackling. Along with so many digital and offshore companies avoiding taxes their predecessors would have paid. Not the rabid leftie you may think.

 

 

[egg]

8 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

But I have given you a load. I’ve experienced it. I could debate the point if you knew or worked with people who may move as you might experience it or otherwise. Whelk - what do you do? Why will nobody explain their jobs. 

Also if I quoted the Daily Mail you would laugh. This guy is a one man band socialist working out of his bedroom. If this is the scope of research data you guys are relying on that looks desperate., in my opinion.

You haven't. 

Why should explain their jobs. Anyways, people can pretend that they do anything on here. I know what you claim to be, but you're probably an ice cream man or something. 

[whelk]

1 minute ago, egg said:

You haven't. 

Why should explain their jobs. Anyways, people can pretend that they do anything on here. I know what you claim to be, but you're probably an ice cream man or something. 

I, for one, will not be sharing that I work in a fried chicken shop. Nic came so close to rumbling  me by telling me to go back to I stacking shelves.

all I know is Turkish works in cybersecurity and Lord Duck works in a shop

[Farmer Saint]

3 minutes ago, whelk said:

My point is there is no clear cut data either way. There are clear agendas in certain parts of media to swipe at Starmer and Reeves at every turn. 
Farmer has shown that there is clearly no Marxist agenda to hammer the wealthy.

You seem to be living in past with preconceived ideas of what you fear Labour might do, rather than what they have actually done. I get you have greedy mates running scared. Btw last quarters GDP growth was above forecasts albeit 0.3%. 

Your doom narrative is very convenient to support your political views but not too much substance in your argument other than anecdotal.

I have made my views clear here plenty of times about the clear complexity of fixing ageing population and the health and welfare needs, creaking underfunded infrastructure, unprecedented immigration that needs tackling. Along with so many digital and offshore companies avoiding taxes their predecessors would have paid. Not the rabid leftie you may think.

 

 

The notion that people are either capitalist or socialist is outdated.

[whelk]

Oh and Lighthouse is an air hostess. No idea what Farmer Saint might do

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, whelk said:

I, for one, will not be sharing that I work in a fried chicken shop. Nic came so close to rumbling  me by telling me to go back to I stacking shelves.

all I know is Turkish works in cybersecurity and Lord Duck works in a shop

He also guessed correctly that I'm a Non-Exec for Woolworths.

[egg]

Just now, whelk said:

I, for one, will not be sharing that I work in a fried chicken shop. Nic came so close to rumbling  me by telling me to go back to I stacking shelves.

all I know is Turkish works in cybersecurity and Lord Duck works in a shop

I thought it was you the other day. You gave me ALL drumsticks, not even a single thigh. Prick. 

[egg]

Just now, Farmer Saint said:

He also guessed correctly that I'm a Non-Exec for Woolworths.

Any progress on getting the pick and mix on just eat? 

[Farmer Saint]

1 minute ago, egg said:

Any progress on getting the pick and mix on just eat? 

I'm still trying to get us out of our position on CDs tbh.

Luckily I'm also working on the real estate side, so I'm hoping Ralph will be able to help me.

Edited August 14 by Farmer Saint

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

I thought it was you the other day. You gave me ALL drumsticks, not even a single thigh. Prick. 

That sounds like one of our chicken rivals. I could lose a star if I was discovered doing that. 

[egg]

1 minute ago, whelk said:

That sounds like one of our chicken rivals. I could lose a star if I was discovered doing that. 

If you don't sort it next time, I'll have a word with the boss. 

Anyways, what sort of shop does Duck work in? I always had him down as a dildo salesman, so you could be right. 

[tdmickey3]

Just now, egg said:

If you don't sort it next time, I'll have a word with the boss. 

Anyways, what sort of shop does Duck work in? I always had him down as a dildo salesman, so you could be right. 

Made me actually laugh out loud....

[Turkish]

14 minutes ago, egg said:

You haven't. 

Why should explain their jobs. Anyways, people can pretend that they do anything on here. I know what you claim to be, but you're probably an ice cream man or something. 

No shame in that, i was gagging for an ice cream yesterday, tried 3 parks and not one to be seen. Decent money in it this time of year.

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, egg said:

If you don't sort it next time, I'll have a word with the boss. 

Anyways, what sort of shop does Duck work in? I always had him down as a dildo salesman, so you could be right. 

I imagined it was a furniture shop, as fits the profile of their normal salesman. Although I mustn’t be a twat and mock others’ jobs - everyone is trying to earn a living 

[Turkish]

Just now, whelk said:

I imagined it was a furniture shop, as fits the profile of their normal salesman. Although I mustn’t be a twat and mock others’ jobs - everyone is trying to earn a living 

His wifes shop

[Farmer Saint]

5 minutes ago, Turkish said:

No shame in that, i was gagging for an ice cream yesterday, tried 3 parks and not one to be seen. Decent money in it this time of year.

Such a liar - you were hanging around parks because it's the school holidays, and you didn't see one.

[egg]

12 minutes ago, Turkish said:

No shame in that, i was gagging for an ice cream yesterday, tried 3 parks and not one to be seen. Decent money in it this time of year.

Fucking capitalists are taking over. 

[whelk]

58 minutes ago, egg said:

Fucking capitalists are taking over. 

All the ice cream men have moved to Dubai 

[Sir Ralph]

1 hour ago, sadoldgit said:

Something else I just pulled out of the bag. Don’t pretend that you don’t know what I did for a living nic.

https://taxjustice.net/press/hmrc-data-debunks-uk-non-dom-exodus-claims-ft-reports/#:~:text=HMRC data debunks UK non-dom exodus claims%2C FT reports,-Mark Bou Mansour&text=New data from the UK's,exodus%2C says the Financial Times.

80% of the UK millionaires support a wealth tax. Rather blows your theory out of the water.

Don’t make me laugh - the tax justice website - read up about them. This is just laughable.

[Sir Ralph]

12 minutes ago, whelk said:

All the ice cream men have moved to Dubai 

 

1 hour ago, Farmer Saint said:

The notion that people are either capitalist or socialist is outdated.

You can’t answer it - I’ve never ever met a non exec who wouldn’t say they are a capitalist. Says it all. Not one of you will admit to being capitalist- socialist echo chamber. Good luck chaps. I’m sure labour will potentially grow they economy 

Edited August 14 by Sir Ralph

[whelk]

5 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

 

You can’t answer it - I’ve never ever met a non exec who wouldn’t say they are a capitalist. Says it all. Not one of you will admit to being capitalist- socialist echo chamber. 

Do you think health care should be left to market forces and run by capitalists?

 

[Sir Ralph]

8 minutes ago, whelk said:

Do you think health care should be left to market forces and run by capitalists?

 

I appreciate you’re asking a legitimate question but the lounge forum is the equivalent of a few guys (none of which who will tell their background or whether they are capitalists or socialists - I suspect the latter). It’s an echo chamber. Again I appreciate the genuine question but I’m out. Enjoy convincing each other that labour are going to do well. I’ll be back next year and look forward to discussing with further evidence - hopefully I’ll be wrong, but I doubt it

[Farmer Saint]

20 minutes ago, whelk said:

Do you think health care should be left to market forces and run by capitalists?

 

Stop asking him questions, he's going to leave us alone and go play with his imaginary millionaire friends...

[Farmer Saint]

31 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

 

You can’t answer it - I’ve never ever met a non exec who wouldn’t say they are a capitalist. Says it all. Not one of you will admit to being capitalist- socialist echo chamber. Good luck chaps. I’m sure labour will potentially grow they economy 

You don't know what a Non-Exec does, do you? I provide independent advice, strategy and criticism (if needed) in industries in which I have experience. I don't have to be capitalist or socialist, I just have to know how it all works to be able to give sound advice.

Edited August 14 by Farmer Saint

[egg]

11 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I appreciate you’re asking a legitimate question but the lounge forum is the equivalent of a few guys (none of which who will tell their background or whether they are capitalists or socialists - I suspect the latter). It’s an echo chamber. Again I appreciate the genuine question but I’m out. Enjoy convincing each other that labour are going to do well. I’ll be back next year and look forward to discussing with further evidence - hopefully I’ll be wrong, but I doubt it

Very odd post.

People don't have to be capitalist or socialist. 

Nobody has said that labour are doing well. 

My background or job has nothing to do with you.

This forum is not an echo chamber. You just seem unable to tolerate contrary views. 

You've failed to answer a simple question.

Are you an ice cream man? 

[Turkish]

30 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

I appreciate you’re asking a legitimate question but the lounge forum is the equivalent of a few guys (none of which who will tell their background or whether they are capitalists or socialists - I suspect the latter). It’s an echo chamber. Again I appreciate the genuine question but I’m out. Enjoy convincing each other that labour are going to do well. I’ll be back next year and look forward to discussing with further evidence - hopefully I’ll be wrong, but I doubt it

Can you answer the one about being an Ice cream man please 

[Sir Ralph]

26 minutes ago, egg said:

Very odd post.

People don't have to be capitalist or socialist. 

Nobody has said that labour are doing well. 

My background or job has nothing to do with you.

This forum is not an echo chamber. You just seem unable to tolerate contrary views. 

You've failed to answer a simple question.

Are you an ice cream man? 

People that don’t want to admit being capitalist or socialists tend to be socialists - they just can’t admit it to themselves unfortunately cause it’s a bit embarrassing 

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[egg]

1 minute ago, Sir Ralph said:

People that don’t want to admit being capitalist or socialists tend to be socialists - they just can’t admit it to themselves unfortunately cause it’s a bit embarrassing 

Whatever you say Mr Whippy. 

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, Sir Ralph said:

People that don’t want to admit being capitalist or socialists tend to be socialists - they just can’t admit it to themselves unfortunately cause it’s a bit embarrassing 

It's actually the other way round, people tend to not want to be Capitalist as it can tend to show a lack of empathy and morals. It's why you have so many secret-Tory's.

But hey, not like you to be wrong again, is it?

[Farmer Saint]

Just now, egg said:

Whatever you say Mr Whippy. 

I think you mean Mr Whopper.

[Sir Ralph]

11 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

I think you mean Mr Whopper.

Well done chaps - reverting to name calling says a lot. I’ve never done that. Stay classy comrades x

Edited August 14 by Sir Ralph

[egg]

4 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Well done chaps - reverting to name calling says a lot. I’ve never done that. Stay classy chaps x

I'd treat you seriously if I thought you were serious, but it's hard to take anyone seriously who throws out questions, but refuses to answer a reasonable put to him.

[Sir Ralph]

5 minutes ago, egg said:

I'd treat you seriously if I thought you were serious, but it's hard to take anyone seriously who throws out questions, but refuses to answer a reasonable put to him.

Good lad egg. Good luck in all your future endeavours. 

Edited August 14 by Sir Ralph

[The Kraken]

Nothing wrong with being an ice cream man.

[badgerx16]

I know a few millionaires, some of them are in my family, and none of them are considering leaving the country.

[egg]

3 minutes ago, badgerx16 said:

I know a few millionaires, some of them are in my family, and none of them are considering leaving the country.

I know a lot of wealthy people and not one has contemplated emigrating. They realise that in 4 years time we won't have this government, and that the best CGT avoidance is to do delay crystallising assets. 

[whelk]

Anyone want to guess how many times Ralph said echo chamber?

[egg]

Just now, whelk said:

Anyone want to guess how many times Ralph said echo chamber?

I'll go 15. 

[Sir Ralph]

4 minutes ago, egg said:

I'll go 15. 

It’s funny that people never realise they are one - echo chamber (16). Lads you never all agree with one another and back each other at all. Convince yourselves as much as you like

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)

 

Edited August 14 by Sir Ralph

[whelk]

Tbf he was a reasonable polite poster, a little obsessed about wanting to know more about us. And odd that wanted to put posters in either capitalist or socialist category. I guess that’s woke ice cream men for you 

[whelk]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s funny that people never realise they are one - echo chamber (16). Lads you never all agree with one another and back each other at all. Convince yourselves as much as you like

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)

 

Yeah never had an argument on here once

[egg]

9 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

It’s funny that people never realise they are one - echo chamber (16). Lads you never all agree with one another and back each other at all. Convince yourselves as much as you like

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echo_chamber_(media)

 

Is it that 16? If so, my 15 must be a winner? If it is, can I have an Oyster with 2 flakes please. 

Mate, there's far too much dissent in the lounge for it to anything like an echo chamber. 

[aintforever]

1 hour ago, Sir Ralph said:

People that don’t want to admit being capitalist or socialists tend to be socialists - they just can’t admit it to themselves unfortunately cause it’s a bit embarrassing 

You trying to pigeon-hole people is bit embarrassing.

[Farmer Saint]

55 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Well done chaps - reverting to name calling says a lot. I’ve never done that. Stay classy comrades x

Luckily you never insult people...

On 08/08/2025 at 19:06, Sir Ralph said:

Well done TDMickey - so far you managed 3 words - shy or stupid?

Never answered this one, yet you want to know everything about us...

On 08/08/2025 at 13:23, Farmer Saint said:

Ah, it's an industry I know well - what sector are you in?

And here is why I called you "Mr Whopper". It's because you admitted you'd been lying...

On 08/08/2025 at 14:07, Farmer Saint said:

It's fine mate, you've been rumbled 👍

 

On 08/08/2025 at 14:10, Sir Ralph said:

I have buddy well done. To be honest I don’t care.

up the saints hope we win tomorrow enjoy the game

 

[Sir Ralph]

3 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Luckily you never insult people...

Never answered this one, yet you want to know everything about us...

And here is why I called you "Mr Whopper". It's because you admitted you'd been lying...

 

Incorrect - I’ve never lied never do. It’s poor form. Don’t make stuff up. 

[Farmer Saint]

2 minutes ago, Sir Ralph said:

Incorrect - I’ve never lied never do. It’s poor form. Don’t make stuff up. 

Why did you admit to it then? You'd been caught out for like what, the 5th or 6th time? And what sector in real estate do you work in?

 

[Sir Ralph]

48 minutes ago, Farmer Saint said:

Why did you admit to it then? You'd been caught out for like what, the 5th or 6th time? And what sector in real estate do you work in?

 

1. I’m not a liar - never admitted to it.  Your opinion is I’ve been caught out cause you don’t agree. Poor form to stoop that low. 
 

2. On this lounge forum I’ve been called various names, including a c£&@. I don’t recall ever resort to such chat. Poor form.

3. Im not going to explain what I do in real estate. If you couldn’t work out from earlier when I explained to some of your friends the basics of foreign investment in real estate, then me explaining it further is pointless. You think I got that from chat GPT? Your friends have taken the Michael out of me for even asking what they do and the relevance. I’ve given much more information about my background (and to be fair you have) than the rest of the contributors on here.  

4. I believe that most contributors on this page have socialist views and don’t have any basic idea about business or how the capitalist system works (ps the world  is based upon it). All too embarrassed to admit you’re socialist so you fudge the answer - saying that’s an old school view on life is frankly shirking the answer. To me that means you have socialist views as any true capitalist would be happy to admit what they are. 

5. When the inner circle is debated or challenged for a certain period you tend to get abusive and try to take the piss. A few of you continue to engage sensibly but the rest are unable to. I’ve seen it with other people, other than me, that have engaged with different views. They eventually get called irrational or stupid. Hence I realised it’s an echo chamber. No real forum does that. 

6. Good night. I’ll revisit this in a year and let’s see what happens. Hopefully Labour will turn the economy around but I doubt they will. If they do I will genuinely come back and admit I was wrong. I would be delighted if that happens. If they don’t I look forward to more excuses from the echo chamber.

In the meantime UTS and I wish you well. 

Edited August 14 by Sir Ralph

[whelk]

How many farewells is this fellow going to have?