Ludwig Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 He was on our books for a while, don't think he ever got a chance in the first team. Saw him playing for Watford today (they signed him in Jan from Wycombe for 150k or so) and he was absolutely excellent. A calm defender who didn't put a foot wrong at all and was absolute solid. Constantly talking to his defence and I think he's improved them as a unit. He was also man of the match in his home debut the other week. Why on earth did we let him go? He'd have been perfect for us, especially with the situation we're in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smithy Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 He was on our books for a while' date=' don't think he ever got a chance in the first team. Saw him playing for Watford today (they signed him in Jan from Wycombe for 150k or so) and he was absolutely excellent. A calm defender who didn't put a foot wrong at all and was absolute solid. Constantly talking to his defence and I think he's improved them as a unit. He was also man of the match in his home debut the other week. Why on earth did we let him go? He'd have been perfect for us, especially with the situation we're in.[/quote'] Standard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 He was the lad who we got from Torquay quite a while back. Don't think he ever played for the first team and we were in the Prem when he was trying to break into the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponty Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Ah, the old "I could see that happening now that it's happened" standard of SWF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 He was the lad who we got from Torquay quite a while back. Don't think he ever played for the first team and we were in the Prem when he was trying to break into the first team. Correct. Young 'un who wouldn't have got a sniff of first team while we were PL. He moved on for the good of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scudamore Posted 17 February, 2009 Share Posted 17 February, 2009 Correct. Young 'un who wouldn't have got a sniff of first team while we were PL. He moved on for the good of his career. And after a good few year learning his trade in the lower leagues has now moved on to the next stage in his development... Move along...nothing to see here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsie Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 And after a good few year learning his trade in the lower leagues has now moved on to the next stage in his development... Move along...nothing to see here... This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Mikey Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Filed with Scott MacDonald, Brian Howard, Garry Monk etc etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint_stevo Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Would have been good with Drogba, Adebayor, Malbranque, Saha, De Pedro. Lowe Out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 And after a good few year learning his trade in the lower leagues has now moved on to the next stage in his development... Move along...nothing to see here... Put Matt Mills in the same category...I don't get the argument from Rupert that players like this would have been 'given an opportunity' under his regime. Burley blooded plenty successfully (and bear in mind I despise Burley when I say that), but seemed to be selective in who he played. Rupert's 'Let's play them all' routine this season is a complete balls-up. Now, Mills is wanted by Brum....there's probably 10's of players that have left us and had successful careers....unfortunately their best performances have been elsewhere in a lot of cases.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Filed with Scott MacDonald, Brian Howard, Garry Monk etc etc. Beginning to look a decent team. Put Maik Taylor or Paul Smith in goal and Dexter Blackstock up front with McDonald, I'm sure you could add a few more and they certainly give to current lot a run for their money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a1ex2001 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Filed with Scott MacDonald, Brian Howard, Garry Monk etc etc. All released when we were premier league and I haven't seen anything from any of them that suggests they are prem standard, Championship yes but when we kicked them out nobody was planning on being in this dire league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 there's probably 10's of players that have left us and had successful careers....unfortunately their best performances have been elsewhere in a lot of cases.. I bet every single club in the CCC and League 1 could probably say the same thing. Amazingly, players move between clubs and do well. Shocking eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I don't get the argument from Rupert that players like this would have been 'given an opportunity' under his regime. It was a cheap shot by Lowe as the same sort of stuff went on when he was at the helm, and as others have said on this thread it goes on at every club in the land. Loads of players don't make it because their position in the first team is blocked by a good player, they just get the break, they develop late, managers want instant results so buy a ready made player etc etc etc. We could easily make up a team of players who have passed through us, just as every other team in the land could. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingsbridge Saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I have a mate called Mike Williamson. He's a little over 40, supports Sunderland and likes a drink and a fag. We could give him a try upfront instead of DMG I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Put Matt Mills in the same category...I don't get the argument from Rupert that players like this would have been 'given an opportunity' under his regime. Burley blooded plenty successfully (and bear in mind I despise Burley when I say that), but seemed to be selective in who he played. Rupert's 'Let's play them all' routine this season is a complete balls-up. Now, Mills is wanted by Brum....there's probably 10's of players that have left us and had successful careers....unfortunately their best performances have been elsewhere in a lot of cases.. In a way that kind of highlights how good our acadamy was doesnt it? With so many doing well or fairly well elsewhere we were obviously doing something right. What Rupes wants is for that ability we bring through to actually do us some good instead of someone else. Cant say there is anything wrong with that can you? Spent money on our acadamy to feed our team and save on spending out on big money signings. Nice in theory but in practice you need the managment team in place that will do everything they can to bring through our kids to help our team. Had this been done a few years ago it might have made a difference as we had the quality and experience to give the kids that lift. Back then the kids trained with the kids and the 1st team trained seperatly. Redcrap threw the kids in like throwing a pack of cards in the air and tried saying they were not ready. Wotte has done the same thing with experience and we get the same results so are the experience not ready also? IMO its a finly ballenced thing to try and do. Rupes thought the dutch duo could do it but the problem is we have already lost the kids that should be ready to step up. Bale, Theo, Balckstock, Best, Mills, Williamson and many more. The kids that are left are almost ready and have been crucified by being forced in by JP. Wotte seems to be trying to correct that ballence but we are still 1 or 2 seasons away from having those kids that are ready to feed our team. Rupes hasnt got 2 weeks to get things right so there is no chance anyone is going to wait 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saint1977 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 And after a good few year learning his trade in the lower leagues has now moved on to the next stage in his development... Move along...nothing to see here... I'd agree with that. Wasn't anywhere near good enough at the time and almost dropped into non-league but like Gary Monk seems to have got his backside in gear. If he carries on that like and moves to say Wigan for £5m then we might regret letting him go but early days for him at CCC level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 In a way that kind of highlights how good our acadamy was doesnt it? With so many doing well or fairly well elsewhere we were obviously doing something right. Think about it logically. Take out the foreign players and where do you think all the other players up and down the leagues came from??? I'll give you a clue, most of them came from an Academy of some description. Ours was not the panacea some tried to make it out to be. It was arguably not really that different from many up and down the country. So how about coming up with a team of our Academy players over the last 10 years (and then placing them in the league): Keeper : Have we produced one? RB : ??? CB: Williamson (Championship strugglers) CB: Mills or Cranie (Both hardly setting the world apart) LB: Bale RM: ??? CM: ??? CM: ??? LM: Bridge CF: Walcott CF: McDonald Could we put together a team that would be worthy of top flight place??? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 It was a cheap shot by Lowe as the same sort of stuff went on when he was at the helm, and as others have said on this thread it goes on at every club in the land. Loads of players don't make it because their position in the first team is blocked by a good player, they just get the break, they develop late, managers want instant results so buy a ready made player etc etc etc. We could easily make up a team of players who have passed through us, just as every other team in the land could. think your right in saying it happened when lowe was in charge but that doesnt mean thats what he wanted. Many times he is slated for making the manager do what he wanted in picking the team or buying and selling players but if it was his vision for the kids to be brought through and not be sold on then by his own standards thats what would have happened wouldnt it? In the past few seasons I think he has been pressuring any managers into this way of thinking. Starting with redcrap who showed him he swans, GB who was selective in who he brought through, then there was a spell when Rupes wasnt in control and now he is back he has gone full tilt into it and come a croper. If his vision is going to work I would suggest the balence lay somewhere between what GB was doing and what JP did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saintjay77 Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Think about it logically. Take out the foreign players and where do you think all the other players up and down the leagues came from??? I'll give you a clue, most of them came from an Academy of some description. Ours was not the panacea some tried to make it out to be. It was arguably not really that different from many up and down the country. So how about coming up with a team of our Academy players over the last 10 years (and then placing them in the league): Keeper : Have we produced one? RB : ??? CB: Williamson (Championship strugglers) CB: Mills or Cranie (Both hardly setting the world apart) LB: Bale RM: ??? CM: ??? CM: ??? LM: Bridge CF: Walcott CF: McDonald Could we put together a team that would be worthy of top flight place??? I doubt it. Not sure we would fill a whole team off the top of my head but I think over the past few years we have turned out a higher number of players that make a career out of footy from League 1 upwards than most if not all other English teams. I dont think Rupes had his great idea when he 1st got here either and its something that has been developed over the last 5 or 6 years ish? so bring in a 14/15 year old and develop him and around 18 year old ish he should be breaking through. I think thats the general idea and looking at the players that left, Balckstock, Best, Mills, Cranie, Williamson, Mcdonald and maybe a few more all left after that age of 18. So maybe they thought that by that age they should be making a step up and if the option wasnt open with us they looked elsewhere. The idea to make the option with us a much more viable one should encourage the better kids to stay with us which again I think cant be a bad thing. There will always be surpless though but then thats what GHA is for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheff Saint Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 Think about it logically. Take out the foreign players and where do you think all the other players up and down the leagues came from??? I'll give you a clue, most of them came from an Academy of some description. Ours was not the panacea some tried to make it out to be. It was arguably not really that different from many up and down the country. So how about coming up with a team of our Academy players over the last 10 years (and then placing them in the league): Keeper : Have we produced one? RB : ??? CB: Williamson (Championship strugglers) CB: Mills or Cranie (Both hardly setting the world apart) LB: Bale RM: ??? CM: ??? CM: ??? LM: Bridge CF: Walcott CF: McDonald Could we put together a team that would be worthy of top flight place??? I doubt it. And i don;t think you can include Bale, Bridge and Walcott on the basis that we didn't release them. As you say silly thread. Do Ipswich fans bemoan their misfortune that Kelvin Davies is now a Saint? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamo Naive Posted 18 February, 2009 Share Posted 18 February, 2009 I saw Williamson earlier this season playing for Wycombe at Aldershot. He had a torrid afternoon at the hands of a League 2 strike force. Obviously that was just one game, and he may have just had an off-day, but I would be surprised if he's a success at Watford. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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