NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 The headlines, internet article and threads on here do not include the full interview so thought it would help those who don't get echo to summarise. (March only briefly mentioned in couple of lines of 150 line article) - never says they are not true fans Wotte says; he read about some young kids (patronising but maybe cultural things like Jan and boys??) are organising protest march, you wonder if their minds are really supportive you can moan - would be right -we are under performing 23rd in league, difficult times asks for support, true believers, doesn't want negativity (or politics) positive support can help player give extra 1 or 2% talks about good support at Reading players really noticed and had impact. team working hard improving details, know whats at stake and are committed working hard in gym, training ground, preparing well and determined, experienced players leading by example asks for support tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 wow...the other thread had about 200 posts saying he was a ****... lol at us fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colinjb Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Enough talk, lets see some results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 The headlines, internet article and threads on here do not include the full interview so thought it would help those who don't get echo to summarise. (March only briefly mentioned in couple of lines of 150 line article) - never says they are not true fans Wotte says; he read about some young kids (patronising but maybe cultural things like Jan and boys??) are organising protest march, you wonder if their minds are really supportive you can moan - would be right -we are under performing 23rd in league, difficult times asks for support, true believers, doesn't want negativity (or politics) positive support can help player give extra 1 or 2% talks about good support at Reading players really noticed and had impact. team working hard improving details, know whats at stake and are committed working hard in gym, training ground, preparing well and determined, experienced players leading by example asks for support tomorrow Have you got a link to the full interview? Also - as previously asked - can you define 'true believer' for us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Have you got a link to the full interview? Also - as previously asked - can you define 'true believer' for us? can you...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 no I bought the echo! pages 88 and 83 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 can you...? Can I what? Define true believer? I would imagine it is something along the lines of unquestioning unwavering fanatical support no matter who is in charge or what they produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 manager wanting support for his team shocker! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 no I bought the echo! pages 88 and 83 So when he says he wonders if these young kids are supportive, do you think he means supportive of the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 no I bought the echo! pages 88 and 83 Whooop ti too Basil.... Wotte, if he had any sense would stay out of the Politics of this club. If he came out and said - 'I do not wish to comment on the protests, I am only concerned on our performances', he would be doing ok. He has instead run into a minefield that he PLAINLY does not understand... 'True Believers' eh ??? Doesn't that make him sound like David Koresh???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Whooop ti too Basil.... Wotte, if he had any sense would stay out of the Politics of this club. If he came out and said - 'I do not wish to comment on the protests, I am only concerned on our performances', he would be doing ok. He has instead run into a minefield that he PLAINLY does not understand... 'True Believers' eh ??? Doesn't that make him sound like David Koresh???? lol jesus..all he is asking for is support...lol like most managers would say Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Whooop ti too Basil.... Wotte, if he had any sense would stay out of the Politics of this club. If he came out and said - 'I do not wish to comment on the protests, I am only concerned on our performances', he would be doing ok. He has instead run into a minefield that he PLAINLY does not understand... 'True Believers' eh ??? Doesn't that make him sound like David Koresh???? ?? I was only answering a question! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INFLUENCED.COM Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 So when he says he wonders if these young kids are supportive, do you think he means supportive of the team? No, of their partners and their children Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 As I said on the other thread: Manager call for fans to get behind the team when they need their support most. Manager gets abused for it. This place is beyond belief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 As I said on the other thread: agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 sorry but i don't agree, you can try and run defence but these were his actual remarks "I read some stories about some young kids doing a protest march and you just wonder what’s in their minds – are they really supportive or are they waiting for us to go down? " To me saying that it is young kids protesting is not taking the people serious at all. "You can moan every day about Southampton Football Club and probably they are right because we’re not performing well enough – we’re 23rd in the league – but in difficult times you recognise a true fan and the true believers in this club." So a true fan and a true believer should be all happy and full of nice words/feelings for the club and the way it is being run? The fans have had to put up with a lot of crap from this club and paid for it. Wotte should be in the dressing room telling his players what to do, out on the training pitch drilling them, not on the whistle to the Echo talking about the fans, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 sorry but i don't agree, you can try and run defence but these were his actual remarks "I read some stories about some young kids doing a protest march and you just wonder what’s in their minds – are they really supportive or are they waiting for us to go down? " To me saying that it is young kids protesting is not taking the people serious at all. "You can moan every day about Southampton Football Club and probably they are right because we’re not performing well enough – we’re 23rd in the league – but in difficult times you recognise a true fan and the true believers in this club." So a true fan and a true believer should be all happy and full of nice words/feelings for the club and the way it is being run? The fans have had to put up with a lot of crap from this club and paid for it. Wotte should be in the dressing room telling his players what to do, out on the training pitch drilling them, not on the whistle to the Echo talking about the fans, again. more support less politics -reasonable request from any manager? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 sorry but i don't agree, you can try and run defence but these were his actual remarks "I read some stories about some young kids doing a protest march and you just wonder what’s in their minds – are they really supportive or are they waiting for us to go down? " To me saying that it is young kids protesting is not taking the people serious at all. "You can moan every day about Southampton Football Club and probably they are right because we’re not performing well enough – we’re 23rd in the league – but in difficult times you recognise a true fan and the true believers in this club." So a true fan and a true believer should be all happy and full of nice words/feelings for the club and the way it is being run? The fans have had to put up with a lot of crap from this club and paid for it. Wotte should be in the dressing room telling his players what to do, out on the training pitch drilling them, not on the whistle to the Echo talking about the fans, again. but he is right for **** sake we ACTUALLY HAVE FANS on here wanting us to go into admin just to get rid of lowe...we really do... some fans are so hypocritical it is beyond belief... stanley and co really want us to go down, really want wotte to fail and really want us to go into admin do you think that is the thinking of a true believer..? really..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Whooop ti too Basil.... Wotte, if he had any sense would stay out of the Politics of this club. If he came out and said - 'I do not wish to comment on the protests, I am only concerned on our performances', he would be doing ok. He has instead run into a minefield that he PLAINLY does not understand... 'True Believers' eh ??? Doesn't that make him sound like David Koresh???? I think someone is PLAINLY not understanding things or if they do is trying to make issues were none are. Christ on a bike. If he has an opinion that doesn't sit right with the protesters (who lets face it are still a very small minority) then why can't he say it? It sits very well with me at this point in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 more support less politics -reasonable request from any manager? Do you think it is possible to support the team AND protest against the board? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Do you think it is possible to support the team AND protest against the board? yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torres Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Do you think it is possible to support the team AND protest against the board? And if people are doing this then their consciences will be clear and they have no reason to take offence at what Wotte said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 more support less politics -reasonable request from any manager? No he just needs to shut up, every day he is spouting something i.e Wotte goes to war etc, time to put up or shut up. If he wins some games and helps us in our battle then his words will mean something. Right now they make him look an idiot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickG Posted 20 February, 2009 Author Share Posted 20 February, 2009 its part of the job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bungle Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Wotte is a legend for these comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 The headlines, internet article and threads on here do not include the full interview so thought it would help those who don't get echo to summarise. (March only briefly mentioned in couple of lines of 150 line article) - never says they are not true fans Wotte says; he read about some young kids (patronising but maybe cultural things like Jan and boys??) are organising protest march, you wonder if their minds are really supportive you can moan - would be right -we are under performing 23rd in league, difficult times asks for support, true believers, doesn't want negativity (or politics) positive support can help player give extra 1 or 2% talks about good support at Reading players really noticed and had impact. team working hard improving details, know whats at stake and are committed working hard in gym, training ground, preparing well and determined, experienced players leading by example asks for support tomorrow However, they are not in any sense behaving as fans of Saints. The obsession with Lowe is absurd. Of course he isn't a very nice bloke and has a huge ego. He is a capitalist businessman for F$%Js sake! Of course it would be better if the club was collectively owned and run like Barcelona. However, that can be debated at some time in the future. No real alternative to Lowe CURRENTLY exists. Certainly not Crouch who is an arrogant idiot with a huge ego who also ran us almost into administration. No the current need really is to get behind the TEAM - you know the players wearing the shirts. Anything else isn't just irrelevant - it runs the danger of distracting people; of undermining the atmosphere in the stadium. The original idea of marching away from the stadium was a good one but it would be better if they just went a lot further and stayed away for much longer - say the next 30 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No he just needs to shut up, every day he is spouting something i.e Wotte goes to war etc, time to put up or shut up. If he wins some games and helps us in our battle then his words will mean something. Right now they make him look an idiot. but like everything else...if we dont hear from him, like night follows day, fans will moan look at rupert...we dont hear from him and fans moan and say he is not doing his job and not giving it the respect it deserves...we do hear from him and fans moan that he is using the OS as spin I am willing to bet a months pay that SHOULD we beat preston, wotte will no doubt heap praise on the players (like any manager would do) and fans will go ape shyt... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northam soul Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 To be fair until a few weeks ago the team have had the fans ( who were there ) support and we still couldnt perform so i think people are entitled to waiver a bit dont you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No he just needs to shut up, every day he is spouting something i.e Wotte goes to war etc, time to put up or shut up. If he wins some games and helps us in our battle then his words will mean something. Right now they make him look an idiot. I don't agree. I think he needs to be seen as a confident leader of his men. I think he needs to meet the press head on and answer their questions and show his team he is in charge. I think he needs to answer his critics and have a dig back at those that chose to knock him. Give the man a break. He has just come in and we have played some top teams and come out of it having not played too badly though having lost. If he wins tomorrow then his points to match ratio will be better than the best manager ever to walk in England, known only as Nigel The Best Pearson. Come on, if we get awin tomorrow it becomes official. We will have the best manager in the world................ AGAIN!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 yes. Excellent. Can you get in touch with Wotte then and point this out to him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 but he is right for **** sake we ACTUALLY HAVE FANS on here wanting us to go into admin just to get rid of lowe...we really do... some fans are so hypocritical it is beyond belief... stanley and co really want us to go down, really want wotte to fail and really want us to go into admin do you think that is the thinking of a true believer..? really..? Nobody wants this club to go into admin, nobody wants this club to be relegated again. Everyone wants to see us lift ourselves out of the doom and gloom we have been in for years. The only way that will change is if the results on the pitch change. The fans have backed this club all season, considering how poor we have been a few boos is pretty good going compared to what happens elsewhere. Wotte has to start delivering on his words then people might have more faith and more belief in him and his team. Right now i don't believe he is the man to save us, i think he is un-professional. He should be getting on with his job not looking for fights and deffinatly not looking to be little fans of this club. Because doing that means forgetting why this club is where it is right now, people don't simply forget that because some guy asks you to. The fans will back the team as they have all season but now is the business end. No more excuses and no more "the fans can win it for us" type ********, the players on the pitch are the ones who get the results and they are the ones who need re-minding not the fans. He should just remain silent, talk about the team and only the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I don't agree. I think he needs to be seen as a confident leader of his men. I think he needs to meet the press head on and answer their questions and show his team he is in charge. I think he needs to answer his critics and have a dig back at those that chose to knock him. Give the man a break. He has just come in and we have played some top teams and come out of it having not played too badly though having lost. If he wins tomorrow then his points to match ratio will be better than the best manager ever to walk in England, known only as Nigel The Best Pearson. Come on, if we get awin tomorrow it becomes official. We will have the best manager in the world................ AGAIN!! oh and wont i just make a point of it too.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Nobody wants this club to go into admin, nobody wants this club to be relegated again. . i think you will find they do...some really do. try reading the posts of stanley and co and see for yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Wotte is a legend for these comments. I couldn't agree more. Glad to see him have a go back. It shows he has some balls which may also rub off on the players. (I am not happy with using balls and rubbing off in the same sentence, but he is Dutch and probably open minded). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I don't agree. I think he needs to be seen as a confident leader of his men. I think he needs to meet the press head on and answer their questions and show his team he is in charge. I think he needs to answer his critics and have a dig back at those that chose to knock him. Give the man a break. He has just come in and we have played some top teams and come out of it having not played too badly though having lost. If he wins tomorrow then his points to match ratio will be better than the best manager ever to walk in England, known only as Nigel The Best Pearson. Come on, if we get awin tomorrow it becomes official. We will have the best manager in the world................ AGAIN!! So, he hasn't been here all season then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 (edited) but he is right for **** sake we ACTUALLY HAVE FANS on here wanting us to go into admin just to get rid of lowe...we really do... some fans are so hypocritical it is beyond belief... stanley and co really want us to go down, really want wotte to fail and really want us to go into admin do you think that is the thinking of a true believer..? really..? I DO not want any of those things but will be on the march and shout by self hoarse during the game CHEERING the team on. why are they not compatiable mr wotte has a lot to learn about english football, right or wrong, fans have always moaned about team performance and directors, back in the 60's it was the board do not want to get promoted Edited 20 February, 2009 by 70's Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 So, he hasn't been first team coach all season then? No he hasn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 oh and wont i just make a point of it too.. Do you know how many points behind the best manager ever in the world he will be if he only manages a draw though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Channon's Sideburns Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 I don't agree. I think he needs to be seen as a confident leader of his men. I think he needs to meet the press head on and answer their questions and show his team he is in charge. I think he needs to answer his critics and have a dig back at those that chose to knock him. Give the man a break. He has just come in and we have played some top teams and come out of it having not played too badly though having lost. If he wins tomorrow then his points to match ratio will be better than the best manager ever to walk in England, known only as Nigel The Best Pearson. Come on, if we get awin tomorrow it becomes official. We will have the best manager in the world................ AGAIN!! Ahhhh...now I know why he's here...he'll be such an asset in League One. Wotte's been spending too much time in the mirror...Rupey must be well pleased by all this though, finally has someone on board who makes more gaffes than him. As for the argument that fans want Admin so we can remove Lowe, may I just turn that round for you and ask you this.... When we go down (which we will based on current form) and Rupey Baby leads us into Administration, will it still be the fans' fault then? Will it?? Or will it be the Boardroom leadership who were convinced that an unproven forward led by an unproven management team could score more goals than Rasiak and Stern John combined??? BTW, that isn't McGoldrick's fault before you criticise me for simply mentioning him. Ah, you can't beat being run into the ground by 'successful businessmen' can you? What is the share price again???? Oh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No he hasn't. Oh. When did he come then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thedelldays Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No he hasn't. what i find amusing is that the loss pearson had against plymouth is discounted (despite actually being inthe dug out) and wotte is blamed for all season (despite NOT picking the team as that is ruperts job) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Oh. When did he come then? You may have been too hasty there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Bob Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 No more excuses and no more "the fans can win it for us" type ********, the players on the pitch are the ones who get the results and they are the ones who need re-minding not the fans. He should just remain silent, talk about the team and only the team. Yes but he can talk to the players face to face, he doesn't need to do it through the media. He's trying to get the fans behind the team FFS and the only way he can do that is via the media (and, FWIW, I don't think his choice of words was inspired!!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 You may have been too hasty there. So when did he come then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenridge Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 You may have been too hasty there. Editing peoples post to make your replies look better is perhaps playing a dangerous game JFP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Ahhhh...now I know why he's here...he'll be such an asset in League One. Wotte's been spending too much time in the mirror...Rupey must be well pleased by all this though, finally has someone on board who makes more gaffes than him. As for the argument that fans want Admin so we can remove Lowe, may I just turn that round for you and ask you this.... When we go down (which we will based on current form) and Rupey Baby leads us into Administration, will it still be the fans' fault then? Will it?? Or will it be the Boardroom leadership who were convinced that an unproven forward led by an unproven management team could score more goals than Rasiak and Stern John combined??? BTW, that isn't McGoldrick's fault before you criticise me for simply mentioning him. Ah, you can't beat being run into the ground by 'successful businessmen' can you? What is the share price again???? Oh. Do you think that putting Rasiak out on loan with Stern John was because they thought McGoaldrick would score more goals? That shows a total lack of knowing what is going on at all. The share price is not in the slightest bit an issue. If he wanted a high value they could have borrowed more dosh and bought decent players, thus having a high shareholders price but more debt. They have chosen to trim the wage bill, letting decent players go in order to stay afloat. We are afloat but not performing as well, hence the price has dropped. It was never going to be a huge shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 what i find amusing is that the loss pearson had against plymouth is discounted (despite actually being inthe dug out) and wotte is blamed for all season (despite NOT picking the team as that is ruperts job) Pearson was appointed the manager the evening before the game, didn't have time to see the players let alone take a training session. The match day it was agreed he would let Dodd and Gorman pick and manage the team for that game and he would observe. To credit him with that game is laughable. That is like saying a guy who takes a new job at a bank that just posted £11bn loss the day after he joined is to blame for it. Pearson had zero to do with the Plymouth game and saying it should count is sad really. Wotte was here from the 1st day we went dutch. He came in as a duo with JP, he had a lot of say in what way the club was going. Again to try and compare that with Pearson is laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Editing peoples post to make your replies look better is perhaps playing a dangerous game JFP... I should have highlighted the change to draw attention to the nit-picking original dinlo comment, admittedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
St Marco Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Yes but he can talk to the players face to face, he doesn't need to do it through the media. He's trying to get the fans behind the team FFS and the only way he can do that is via the media (and, FWIW, I don't think his choice of words was inspired!!) But as i mentioned Bob he does not need to keep doing that, every day there is a new article with "Wottes goes to war" or something similar. He just needs to get on with it. If the players come out with the right attitude and the right amount of passion then that will rub off on the crowd and in return they will get behind them more. If they come out and can't be arsed then he can't blame the fans for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 20 February, 2009 Share Posted 20 February, 2009 Pearson was appointed the manager the evening before the game, didn't have time to see the players let alone take a training session. The match day it was agreed he would let Dodd and Gorman pick and manage the team for that game and he would observe. To credit him with that game is laughable. That is like saying a guy who takes a new job at a bank that just posted £11bn loss the day after he joined is to blame for it. Pearson had zero to do with the Plymouth game and saying it should count is sad really. Wotte was here from the 1st day we went dutch. He came in as a duo with JP, he had a lot of say in what way the club was going. Again to try and compare that with Pearson is laughable. It counts and he was accountable. The records will say that too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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