Amesbury Saint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Why did the players play so badly yesterday? 5 days previous they won, to give themselves a chance of staying up. Not that long ago they managed 3 wins in succession. Its been a tough season for them but they went into the match on the back of a valuable win. So why did they play so badly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Because they're not very good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 19 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Because they're not very good? but they have got some results this season and Sheffield Wednesday are hardly brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 They just can't handle any sort of pressue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Why did the players play so badly yesterday? 5 days previous they won, to give themselves a chance of staying up. Not that long ago they managed 3 wins in succession. Its been a tough season for them but they went into the match on the back of a valuable win. So why did they play so badly? Beacause they are not very good I would imagine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 19 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2009 They just can't handle any sort of pressue. but they did 5 days before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 but they did 5 days before? What do you think then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 but they did 5 days before? Was less pressue for the Palace game imo as soon as we won that game we where back in it and we expected more of the same from the team and they just couldn't produce. All you have to do is look at the results of our games against the teams around us. We've lost pretty much every 6 pointer this season, kids who can't handle any sort of pressue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Was less pressue for the Palace game imo as soon as we won that game we where back in it and we expected more of the same from the team and they just couldn't produce. All you have to do is look at the results of our games against the teams around us. We've lost pretty much every 6 pointer this season, kids who can't handle any sort of pressue. And lost every televised game too why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
um pahars Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Beacause they are not very good I would imagine But fairly recently they won three on the bounce, wth one of them spanking Ipswich away 3-0 and another putting 3 past Preston. IMHO our squad is better than our league position would suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Was less pressue for the Palace game imo as soon as we won that game we where back in it and we expected more of the same from the team and they just couldn't produce. All you have to do is look at the results of our games against the teams around us. We've lost pretty much every 6 pointer this season, kids who can't handle any sort of pressue. What kids now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 (edited) But fairly recently they won three on the bounce, wth one of them spanking Ipswich away 3-0 and another putting 3 past Preston. IMHO our squad is better than our league position would suggest. So was last years as well The inability to score goals is the main problem probably which means the team is not good enough. Strikers cost money and earn high wages which did not help us in our financial situation We have not been beaten heavily on many occassions ten more goals would have helped sifnificantly Edited 19 April, 2009 by John B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 What kids now? McGoldrick, Lallana, Surman, James, BWP and Schneiderlin. We have not been beaten heavily on many occassions Would be different if it wasn't for Kelvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 IMHO our squad is better than our league position would suggest. Maybe, hardly any of our players are suited to this league though. Not to mention we spent half the season with Skacel, Euell and Saga out of the side to save a few quid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 But fairly recently they won three on the bounce, wth one of them spanking Ipswich away 3-0 and another putting 3 past Preston. IMHO our squad is better than our league position would suggest. The table doesn't lie unfortunately. We are exactly where we belong..... league one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 McGoldrick, Lallana, Surman, James, BWP and Schneiderlin. Would be different if it wasn't for Kelvin. Yes a reasonable point but you ou are allowed a goalkeeper . Yes but James and McGoldrick have apparently been our best players and BWP and Surman are hardly kids Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 The table doesn't lie unfortunately. We are exactly where we belong..... league one I agree but when we have been on top in games we have regularly failed to score. It is the same with Middlesboro they spent £13 m on Alves and I think he has scored 7 goals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy_Porter Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Yes a reasonable point but you ou are allowed a goalkeeper . Yes but James and McGoldrick have apparently been our best players and BWP and Surman are hardly kids I find it hard to believe that people can still defend our players after 44 games with us second from bottom. They're **** and they can't handle any sort of pressure. It's obvious! James and McGoldrick have both improved a lot since Christmas but being our best player is hardly anything worth shouting about, we've been poor under Wotte but managed to grind out a few wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 19 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 19 April, 2009 What do you think then poor management? they have given up? looking forward to their holidays? carrying minor injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I find it hard to believe that people can still defend our players after 44 games with us second from bottom. They're **** and they can't handle any sort of pressure. It's obvious! James and McGoldrick have both improved a lot since Christmas but being our best player is hardly anything worth shouting about, we've been poor under Wotte but managed to grind out a few wins. I agree with you as my first post suggests that they are not very good. But in theory as UM suggests we should have probably done slightly better as a couple of extra wins could possibly have saved us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr X Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 I agree but when we have been on top in games we have regularly failed to score. It is the same with Middlesboro they spent £13 m on Alves and I think he has scored 7 goals Ironic that we only needed to have paid the wages of stern and raziak and im pretty sure we'd have stayed up. I know we weren't in a position to do that allegedly. Would have been cheaper in the scheme of things though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwichsaint Posted 19 April, 2009 Share Posted 19 April, 2009 Can we knock one thing straight on the head here, and I've seen it loads of places on here in the last 24 hours, 'Sheff Weds weren't even any good'. Ridiculous comment and one of the reasons we lose so many games! The same comment made over and over again, I can only assume by people that don't watch (m)any games, or only 'watch' Saints when they do go to a game? Get real people! The League table doesn't lie! SW are comfortably mid-table after a difficult season last year and a wobbly first half of this season. They have an excellent manager who they have stuck by for a couple of seasons, and a very workable mix of 'journeymen', young pro's, and the odd foreign import. They play a no-nonesense, high-tempo 'British' game and are quite good at it, relying heavily on fitness/work rate/physical strength and pace (if you still don't get it, that's not Saints I'm talking about there). When they have that platform they then play their 'football' and their attacks have pace and precision. They have a decent spine of a solid GK, 2 decent CBs, and hard-tackling midfielders. Yesterday 24k fans turned out for a meaningless end-of-season match and supported their team for 90 minutes and were rewarded with the most one-sided 2-0 win they will ever see. We are 3 or 4 years away even from this scenario and will have to go down, and hopefully up again, to even get to that level. In the meantime we need a buyer, funds, and fans, before we even consider finding our own next manager/saviour. Time for some to get real; we are cr8p as cr8p can be. We fielded six players yesterday with Prem experience, Weds had 3 or 4. 'These players should be higher in the League ...', which players? Which league? Yesterday we/they made not-very-good-Sheffield-Wednesday look like fecking Brazil, just like two weeks ago when we made Charlton look like Chelsea. Why didn't we win yesterday? How long have you got? Losing mentality from top to bottom; team doesn't 'expect' to win games, we are effectively 'beaten before we've started'. Players are mentally drained; from losing, from 'politics', from worrying about their jobs/futures. Players' fitness levels are apalling, frankly unbelievable in this day and age. Surman,Skacel,Wotton,McG all blowing out their ar5es after 15 minutes. Warm-up and prep is school-boy standard (if that's not insulting to school boys' and their coaches). No progression, no intensity, no team-building routines. It's cursory, superficial, unproffessional. I was astonished by what I saw at Wolves pre-match, and yesterday's was equally poor. Tactics and team selection are poor and inflexible. The narrow diamond has been shi7 for weeks but we don't change it. Mrs Sandwich came to her first game of the season on Sat and she picked it up in the first five minutes, we are playing with a lack of natural width and any shape for the centre players to pass to, consequently we continually give the ball away (or hoof it straight and long which amounts to the same thing really). Manager/coaches don't react to the game situation. Saints have an extremely limited Plan A and no Plan B. Too many players have given up, they can get a new club next season, we can't! We concede goals for fun, two howlers yesterday, and without Perry they might easily have had five. We play very negatively, constantly passing square and backwards. No pace, creativity, or one-on-one ability means we create very few chances in open play (we should be playing Llallana in the hole, yesterday that would have drawn their clumping CBs fd away from the top of their D, rather than kicking it onto their heads for 90 minutes). We are poor at converting the chances we do get (no natural goal scorer if Saga doesn't score). Set pieces/corners are shocking. That's some of the reasons we didn't win yesterday.... and unless we make some real changes we will carry on reading 'Millwall weren't even that good...' type comments, all the way into Division 4. I visited the Stadium of Light on Saturday morning (after cycling the C-2-C route from Whitehaven to Sunderland on Wed-Fri last week) and was very moved by the 'fans' statue if any of you have seen it. Words which resonated for me in our current plight: 'All generations come together at the Stadium of Light. A love of "The Lads" has bonded together supporters for more than 125 years and will for many more years in the future. At Sunderland it is this statue to the fans that has pride of place. Supporters who have passed away have their support carried on by today's fans, just as the supporters of today will have their support continued through families and friends. We share this vision and bond as one because Sunderland AFC is For Us All' Maybe something for our 'players' to reflect on even though it's probably too late now, and for us as fans to hope we will one day rise again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Horne Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Can we knock one thing straight on the head here, and I've seen it loads of places on here in the last 24 hours, 'Sheff Weds weren't even any good'. Ridiculous comment and one of the reasons we lose so many games! The same comment made over and over again, I can only assume by people that don't watch (m)any games, or only 'watch' Saints when they do go to a game? Get real people! The League table doesn't lie! SW are comfortably mid-table after a difficult season last year and a wobbly first half of this season. They have an excellent manager who they have stuck by for a couple of seasons, and a very workable mix of 'journeymen', young pro's, and the odd foreign import. They play a no-nonesense, high-tempo 'British' game and are quite good at it, relying heavily on fitness/work rate/physical strength and pace (if you still don't get it, that's not Saints I'm talking about there). When they have that platform they then play their 'football' and their attacks have pace and precision. They have a decent spine of a solid GK, 2 decent CBs, and hard-tackling midfielders. Yesterday 24k fans turned out for a meaningless end-of-season match and supported their team for 90 minutes and were rewarded with the most one-sided 2-0 win they will ever see. We are 3 or 4 years away even from this scenario and will have to go down, and hopefully up again, to even get to that level. In the meantime we need a buyer, funds, and fans, before we even consider finding our own next manager/saviour. Time for some to get real; we are cr8p as cr8p can be. We fielded six players yesterday with Prem experience, Weds had 3 or 4. 'These players should be higher in the League ...', which players? Which league? Yesterday we/they made not-very-good-Sheffield-Wednesday look like fecking Brazil, just like two weeks ago when we made Charlton look like Chelsea. Why didn't we win yesterday? How long have you got? Losing mentality from top to bottom; team doesn't 'expect' to win games, we are effectively 'beaten before we've started'. Players are mentally drained; from losing, from 'politics', from worrying about their jobs/futures. Players' fitness levels are apalling, frankly unbelievable in this day and age. Surman,Skacel,Wotton,McG all blowing out their ar5es after 15 minutes. Warm-up and prep is school-boy standard (if that's not insulting to school boys' and their coaches). No progression, no intensity, no team-building routines. It's cursory, superficial, unproffessional. I was astonished by what I saw at Wolves pre-match, and yesterday's was equally poor. Tactics and team selection are poor and inflexible. The narrow diamond has been shi7 for weeks but we don't change it. Mrs Sandwich came to her first game of the season on Sat and she picked it up in the first five minutes, we are playing with a lack of natural width and any shape for the centre players to pass to, consequently we continually give the ball away (or hoof it straight and long which amounts to the same thing really). Manager/coaches don't react to the game situation. Saints have an extremely limited Plan A and no Plan B. Too many players have given up, they can get a new club next season, we can't! We concede goals for fun, two howlers yesterday, and without Perry they might easily have had five. We play very negatively, constantly passing square and backwards. No pace, creativity, or one-on-one ability means we create very few chances in open play (we should be playing Llallana in the hole, yesterday that would have drawn their clumping CBs fd away from the top of their D, rather than kicking it onto their heads for 90 minutes). We are poor at converting the chances we do get (no natural goal scorer if Saga doesn't score). Set pieces/corners are shocking. That's some of the reasons we didn't win yesterday.... and unless we make some real changes we will carry on reading 'Millwall weren't even that good...' type comments, all the way into Division 4. I visited the Stadium of Light on Saturday morning (after cycling the C-2-C route from Whitehaven to Sunderland on Wed-Fri last week) and was very moved by the 'fans' statue if any of you have seen it. Words which resonated for me in our current plight: 'All generations come together at the Stadium of Light. A love of "The Lads" has bonded together supporters for more than 125 years and will for many more years in the future. At Sunderland it is this statue to the fans that has pride of place. Supporters who have passed away have their support carried on by today's fans, just as the supporters of today will have their support continued through families and friends. We share this vision and bond as one because Sunderland AFC is For Us All' Maybe something for our 'players' to reflect on even though it's probably too late now, and for us as fans to hope we will one day rise again. Nail on the head, well said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Can we knock one thing straight on the head here, and I've seen it loads of places on here in the last 24 hours, 'Sheff Weds weren't even any good'. Ridiculous comment and one of the reasons we lose so many games! The same comment made over and over again, I can only assume by people that don't watch (m)any games, or only 'watch' Saints when they do go to a game? Get real people! The League table doesn't lie! SW are comfortably mid-table after a difficult season last year and a wobbly first half of this season. They have an excellent manager who they have stuck by for a couple of seasons, and a very workable mix of 'journeymen', young pro's, and the odd foreign import. They play a no-nonesense, high-tempo 'British' game and are quite good at it, relying heavily on fitness/work rate/physical strength and pace (if you still don't get it, that's not Saints I'm talking about there). When they have that platform they then play their 'football' and their attacks have pace and precision. They have a decent spine of a solid GK, 2 decent CBs, and hard-tackling midfielders. Yesterday 24k fans turned out for a meaningless end-of-season match and supported their team for 90 minutes and were rewarded with the most one-sided 2-0 win they will ever see. We are 3 or 4 years away even from this scenario and will have to go down, and hopefully up again, to even get to that level. In the meantime we need a buyer, funds, and fans, before we even consider finding our own next manager/saviour. Time for some to get real; we are cr8p as cr8p can be. We fielded six players yesterday with Prem experience, Weds had 3 or 4. 'These players should be higher in the League ...', which players? Which league? Yesterday we/they made not-very-good-Sheffield-Wednesday look like fecking Brazil, just like two weeks ago when we made Charlton look like Chelsea. Why didn't we win yesterday? How long have you got? Losing mentality from top to bottom; team doesn't 'expect' to win games, we are effectively 'beaten before we've started'. Players are mentally drained; from losing, from 'politics', from worrying about their jobs/futures. Players' fitness levels are apalling, frankly unbelievable in this day and age. Surman,Skacel,Wotton,McG all blowing out their ar5es after 15 minutes. Warm-up and prep is school-boy standard (if that's not insulting to school boys' and their coaches). No progression, no intensity, no team-building routines. It's cursory, superficial, unproffessional. I was astonished by what I saw at Wolves pre-match, and yesterday's was equally poor. Tactics and team selection are poor and inflexible. The narrow diamond has been shi7 for weeks but we don't change it. Mrs Sandwich came to her first game of the season on Sat and she picked it up in the first five minutes, we are playing with a lack of natural width and any shape for the centre players to pass to, consequently we continually give the ball away (or hoof it straight and long which amounts to the same thing really). Manager/coaches don't react to the game situation. Saints have an extremely limited Plan A and no Plan B. Too many players have given up, they can get a new club next season, we can't! We concede goals for fun, two howlers yesterday, and without Perry they might easily have had five. We play very negatively, constantly passing square and backwards. No pace, creativity, or one-on-one ability means we create very few chances in open play (we should be playing Llallana in the hole, yesterday that would have drawn their clumping CBs fd away from the top of their D, rather than kicking it onto their heads for 90 minutes). We are poor at converting the chances we do get (no natural goal scorer if Saga doesn't score). Set pieces/corners are shocking. That's some of the reasons we didn't win yesterday.... and unless we make some real changes we will carry on reading 'Millwall weren't even that good...' type comments, all the way into Division 4. I visited the Stadium of Light on Saturday morning (after cycling the C-2-C route from Whitehaven to Sunderland on Wed-Fri last week) and was very moved by the 'fans' statue if any of you have seen it. Words which resonated for me in our current plight: 'All generations come together at the Stadium of Light. A love of "The Lads" has bonded together supporters for more than 125 years and will for many more years in the future. At Sunderland it is this statue to the fans that has pride of place. Supporters who have passed away have their support carried on by today's fans, just as the supporters of today will have their support continued through families and friends. We share this vision and bond as one because Sunderland AFC is For Us All' Maybe something for our 'players' to reflect on even though it's probably too late now, and for us as fans to hope we will one day rise again. There is only one thing I would like to add to your absolutely spot on report. All decent teams score about 60% of their goals from tap ins in the box, a few long shots and the rest set pieces. We don't do pace, width, byelines, and tap ins, our set pieces are awful and don't start me on our defending, the useless diamond and a lack of football common sense and basic awareness from both the management and players puts us where we are. The board has been cleared out, now it is time to clear out the football side, from top to bottom. Kids are coming into the side with no football awareness and just follow instructions from the manager/coaches, most of them struggle to hit a dead ball, and show no tactical awareness. What have these kids been doing in the academy for the last eight years and what the hell are they being taught. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Not enough Wootage, Muffins and Weather reports on The MatchDay Thread on here f'sure. :smt119 Defo not the **** poor team selection, tactical nous or personal motivation by the manager or the lack of quality and personal belief of the players. They are also still trying to get over being called "Boysh" by JP to now being called "Boyce" by the Twotte. All very confusing for them I'm sure you'll agree. Ultimately though, I blame those feckin RED shorts. WTF are they about :cool:. Totally ghey. No wonder the Boyce don't do well in them. Might as well prance around in a pink ballerinas tu tu Also not having roy cheeks's pre match team talk is probably a major factor as well, it was probably better than twottes :smt086 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 But fairly recently they won three on the bounce, wth one of them spanking Ipswich away 3-0 and another putting 3 past Preston. IMHO our squad is better than our league position would suggest. Even bad teams get the odd few decent results in a season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hughieslastminutegoal Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 (edited) Kids are coming into the side with no football awareness and just follow instructions from the manager/coaches, most of them struggle to hit a dead ball, and show no tactical awareness. What have these kids been doing in the academy for the last eight years and what the hell are they being taught. How dare you pass such a comment on our tremendous Academy that has produced a welter of excllent players and has allowed us to sell on and keep the club afloat. Do you realise you are slagging off the very thing we set out to pin all our hopes on this season? Oh. Edited 20 April, 2009 by hughieslastminutegoal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ottery st mary Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Can we knock one thing straight on the head here, and I've seen it loads of places on here in the last 24 hours, 'Sheff Weds weren't even any good'. Ridiculous comment and one of the reasons we lose so many games! The same comment made over and over again, I can only assume by people that don't watch (m)any games, or only 'watch' Saints when they do go to a game? Get real people! The League table doesn't lie! SW are comfortably mid-table after a difficult season last year and a wobbly first half of this season. They have an excellent manager who they have stuck by for a couple of seasons, and a very workable mix of 'journeymen', young pro's, and the odd foreign import. They play a no-nonesense, high-tempo 'British' game and are quite good at it, relying heavily on fitness/work rate/physical strength and pace (if you still don't get it, that's not Saints I'm talking about there). When they have that platform they then play their 'football' and their attacks have pace and precision. They have a decent spine of a solid GK, 2 decent CBs, and hard-tackling midfielders. Yesterday 24k fans turned out for a meaningless end-of-season match and supported their team for 90 minutes and were rewarded with the most one-sided 2-0 win they will ever see. We are 3 or 4 years away even from this scenario and will have to go down, and hopefully up again, to even get to that level. In the meantime we need a buyer, funds, and fans, before we even consider finding our own next manager/saviour. Time for some to get real; we are cr8p as cr8p can be. We fielded six players yesterday with Prem experience, Weds had 3 or 4. 'These players should be higher in the League ...', which players? Which league? Yesterday we/they made not-very-good-Sheffield-Wednesday look like fecking Brazil, just like two weeks ago when we made Charlton look like Chelsea. Why didn't we win yesterday? How long have you got? Losing mentality from top to bottom; team doesn't 'expect' to win games, we are effectively 'beaten before we've started'. Players are mentally drained; from losing, from 'politics', from worrying about their jobs/futures. Players' fitness levels are apalling, frankly unbelievable in this day and age. Surman,Skacel,Wotton,McG all blowing out their ar5es after 15 minutes. Warm-up and prep is school-boy standard (if that's not insulting to school boys' and their coaches). No progression, no intensity, no team-building routines. It's cursory, superficial, unproffessional. I was astonished by what I saw at Wolves pre-match, and yesterday's was equally poor. Tactics and team selection are poor and inflexible. The narrow diamond has been shi7 for weeks but we don't change it. Mrs Sandwich came to her first game of the season on Sat and she picked it up in the first five minutes, we are playing with a lack of natural width and any shape for the centre players to pass to, consequently we continually give the ball away (or hoof it straight and long which amounts to the same thing really). Manager/coaches don't react to the game situation. Saints have an extremely limited Plan A and no Plan B. Too many players have given up, they can get a new club next season, we can't! We concede goals for fun, two howlers yesterday, and without Perry they might easily have had five. We play very negatively, constantly passing square and backwards. No pace, creativity, or one-on-one ability means we create very few chances in open play (we should be playing Llallana in the hole, yesterday that would have drawn their clumping CBs fd away from the top of their D, rather than kicking it onto their heads for 90 minutes). We are poor at converting the chances we do get (no natural goal scorer if Saga doesn't score). Set pieces/corners are shocking. That's some of the reasons we didn't win yesterday.... and unless we make some real changes we will carry on reading 'Millwall weren't even that good...' type comments, all the way into Division 4. I visited the Stadium of Light on Saturday morning (after cycling the C-2-C route from Whitehaven to Sunderland on Wed-Fri last week) and was very moved by the 'fans' statue if any of you have seen it. Words which resonated for me in our current plight: 'All generations come together at the Stadium of Light. A love of "The Lads" has bonded together supporters for more than 125 years and will for many more years in the future. At Sunderland it is this statue to the fans that has pride of place. Supporters who have passed away have their support carried on by today's fans, just as the supporters of today will have their support continued through families and friends. We share this vision and bond as one because Sunderland AFC is For Us All' Maybe something for our 'players' to reflect on even though it's probably too late now, and for us as fans to hope we will one day rise again. This is so, SO .....TRUE.....Well said Sir.. Opposing teams have had this script from almost the beginning of the season...Therefore NO change from JP to Wotte....Apart from a few more hoofs in later games.:smt086 I am sure Wotte will have read this post and one day realised where his revolution went wrong.:smt086... As you say we have to start afresh and damn quick.....Top to bottom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 You do realise you completely remove any blame from them when you make comments like that? Not being good enough wouldn't be their fault. Not showing any fight, not running your arse off for 90 minutes and proving you care about the clubs plight is very much their fault. A team of Ormerods and Benalis wouldn't be good enough, but you wouldn't be able to fault it's effort. I dont want a team of Ormerods and Benali's I want a team with ability and players who can antipate what is going to happen. Running arses off in the wrong direction is of no use if there is no ability. As Lawrie used to say we need a team of both piano players and roadsweepers we appear to have neither at the moment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 You do realise you completely remove any blame from them when you make comments like that? Not being good enough wouldn't be their fault. Not showing any fight, not running your arse off for 90 minutes and proving you care about the clubs plight is very much their fault. A team of Ormerods and Benalis wouldn't be good enough, but you wouldn't be able to fault it's effort. Exactly, too many big girls blouses in our team. Theres another thread running, which is talking about David Prutton. Not very good I admit, but would never hide or give in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Exactly, too many big girls blouses in our team. Theres another thread running, which is talking about David Prutton. Not very good I admit, but would never hide or give in. So you want a team of crap players with little ability that run around and get booked? Well I dont Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I dont want a team of Ormerods and Benali's I want a team with ability and players who can antipate what is going to happen. Running arses off in the wrong direction is of no use if there is no ability. As Lawrie used to say we need a team of both piano players and roadsweepers we appear to have neither at the moment We didn't get relegated with the likes of Benali and Ormerod. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickmick Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 So you want a team of crap players with little ability that run around and get booked? Well I dont Where as at the moment we have a team of crap players with little ability that don't run around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Where as at the moment we have a team of crap players with little ability that don't run around. Yes I totally agree they also dont seem to antipate what is going to happen in the next few seconds either I think firstly I would like players with ability to read the game and then be able to run in the right direction or in the case of BWP not to run into an offside position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 We didn't get relegated with the likes of Benali and Ormerod. Yes we did with Ommerod but that is not the point, the teams in which benali played had MLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypochondriac Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I think dismissing us and saying we aren't good enough is the easy options. There have been times this year (quite a few times in various games) that we have looked rather good. It is clear to me that our main problems this year has been confusing tactics (no plan B), lightweight players and poor management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I think dismissing us and saying we aren't good enough is the easy options. There have been times this year (quite a few times in various games) that we have looked rather good. It is clear to me that our main problems this year has been confusing tactics (no plan B), lightweight players and poor management. I think most teams have good results sometime in the season and the better ones have more and the poorer ones less. We are a poorer one as we cannot score goals when on top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
londonsaint1604 Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 I think Saga should have started. Also they probably don't really give a toss as very few of those who started will be here next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trousers Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Why did the players play so badly yesterday? 5 days previous they won, to give themselves a chance of staying up. Not that long ago they managed 3 wins in succession. Its been a tough season for them but they went into the match on the back of a valuable win. So why did they play so badly? Maybe the administrator issued an ultimatum to the Football Club along the lines of..."the bid process is taking longer than the amount of time the club has left for survival due to the ongoing uncertainty regarding relegation. So, somewhat perversely, the club will only get investment in time to save it if we're relegated before the end of the season. We must therefore lose all our remaining games to expedite the process and thus save the club." Or, maybe not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Why did the players play so badly yesterday? 5 days previous they won, to give themselves a chance of staying up. Not that long ago they managed 3 wins in succession. Its been a tough season for them but they went into the match on the back of a valuable win. So why did they play so badly? Manager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRichmond Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Why did the players play so badly yesterday? 5 days previous they won, to give themselves a chance of staying up. Not that long ago they managed 3 wins in succession. Its been a tough season for them but they went into the match on the back of a valuable win. So why did they play so badly? IMHO, I think they already know they are "down" If we were to finish out of the bottom three, the League will then announce a 10 point penalty If they had any guts at all, this situation could, and should have been resolved weeks ago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LostBoys Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 We have a number of players that are OK , a number that are not Ok and never will be and a number of players that are not yet ready for the Championship or perhaps Div 1. This is not good enough a squad mix to stay up and this is why we will go down (unless we win the last two games and EVERY result elsewhere goes for us) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derry Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 How dare you pass such a comment on our tremendous Academy that has produced a welter of excllent players and has allowed us to sell on and keep the club afloat. Do you realise you are slagging off the very thing we set out to pin all our hopes on this season? Oh. Apart from Bridge, Walcott and Bale who have their own natural talent, I'd struggle to name one who isn't a reserve or a lower division journeyman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John B Posted 20 April, 2009 Share Posted 20 April, 2009 Apart from Bridge, Walcott and Bale who have their own natural talent, I'd struggle to name one who isn't a reserve or a lower division journeyman. You could possibly have Kenwyne Jones and Scott Macdonald. However before there was the Premier League we used to have numerous homegrown players. But the standard is so high that there are now very few English players in the league itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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