fromthedell Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 firstly let me say about l mcmenemy i appreciate he done great things for this club in the past the cup and the 80s. but have just read his piece in the echo rallying all saints fans to come along saturday to support the side we need the money and support but i havent yet seen him put any money in whilst he doesnt have to would be a nice gesture after he keeps saying can the fans contribute also does he get payed for these columns in the local rag if so give that to the cause. i am only pin pointing lawrie as he is the one speaking out about the situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corsacar saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Your point sums Mcmoneyme up to a tee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PokingFun Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Has he not been helping out by speaking at events organised? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mowgli Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Lets not get into this. Lawrie was a legend and should remembered as such. He has no place at the club now. We need to move on and attract investors that have had no previous connection with the club. Those that have been involved have all blown it one way or another. Look forward not back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
La BoIS Saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Unless you've seen his bank statements you've got no idea whether he's put money in or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromthedell Posted 22 April, 2009 Author Share Posted 22 April, 2009 was going by the club website who have named all donations of £1000 or more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNT Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Not seen matt le tissiers name on the doner list either or indeed terry paine, mary bates, etc etc Lets all hate them for not doing so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victor Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 It's all Lawrie's fault - if he hadn't taken us to such great heights we wouldn't have had so far to fall. Shame on you, Lawrie! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 It's all Lawrie's fault - if he hadn't taken us to such great heights we wouldn't have had so far to fall. Shame on you, Lawrie!I think many of our fans have no memeories of those days and also he has had some very good windfalls from us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Not seen matt le tissiers name on the doner list either or indeed terry paine, mary bates, etc etc Lets all hate them for not doing so.... Surprised MLT's name isn't on the 'doner' (sic) list. I'd have thought he'd be first in the queue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirleySaint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 There are quite a few missing from the list who I would think could afford £1,000. Top of my list would be the Echo, followed by the players (even a whip round making a a grand from the team, would be a gesture), then various people associated with the club LM, the Corbetts, Wilde, Lowe, Cowan, Osman etc. If these people were seen to be giving, then the awlfullness of the situation might just hit home. After all most of the above claim to be in the know about the seriousness of the situation, but it appears it is not serious enough for them to dig into their own pockets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bridge too far Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I wonder if some of our 'uber' fans have, in fact, made donations but prefer that to remain confidential. Not everyone likes to shout their generosity from the nearest tall building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I will hold my hand up and say i have not at present put any money in.I do not wish to pay towards the players wages and still the club goes t###. Many were happy for us to go into administration as they thought it would mean an quick way to be bought.At present that doesnt seem to be the case and the calls for donations are becoming more and more desperate. If I was certain that the club will get through it i would put in, but there is massive doubt my money will go and pay administers bills and still not have a club at the end of it.I understand it is Catch 22 if we dont we not have a club, but however many fantastic fans shake the buckets how will they pay to get us through the summer? We either get bought by a big player or a new saints will start in the lower leagues, that is when the money will find its correct place and will do more good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krissyboy31 Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 This is the problem. The monies donated now could just be going into a black hole, never to be seen again. It may keep the club operating, throughout the summer, it may not! Whichever way you look at it, I doubt you'll ever see that money again. The club could have put up a scheme that a £1,000 debenture now, would guarantee a free ST for the next 3 years (and I think many fans would be up for that) but you would need the administrator to ensure that any new owner would honour the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 What a strange club we are , a man who gave us our only throphy in 50 odd years not welcome at the club by some supporters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 What a strange club we are ' date=' a man who gave us our only throphy in 50 odd years not welcome at the club [b']by some supporters.[/[/b]quote] Only the Yoof....they have no sense of history..IMHO of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I will hold my hand up and say i have not at present put any money in.I do not wish to pay towards the players wages and still the club goes t###. Many were happy for us to go into administration as they thought it would mean an quick way to be bought.At present that doesnt seem to be the case and the calls for donations are becoming more and more desperate. If I was certain that the club will get through it i would put in, but there is massive doubt my money will go and pay administers bills and still not have a club at the end of it.I understand it is Catch 22 if we dont we not have a club, but however many fantastic fans shake the buckets how will they pay to get us through the summer? We either get bought by a big player or a new saints will start in the lower leagues, that is when the money will find its correct place and will do more good. I wonder if you realise the irony between your post and your slagging off of the fans that boycotted this season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Has he not been helping out by speaking at events organised? I agree he has done a lot of fund raising, but i also do think he should donate £1,000+ and get his name on "the list". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lumpofshipperley Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 There are quite a few missing from the list who I would think could afford £1,000. Top of my list would be the Echo, followed by the players (even a whip round making a a grand from the team, would be a gesture), then various people associated with the club LM, the Corbetts, Wilde, Lowe, Cowan, Osman etc. If these people were seen to be giving, then the awlfullness of the situation might just hit home. After all most of the above claim to be in the know about the seriousness of the situation, but it appears it is not serious enough for them to dig into their own pockets. Lowe, Wilde and Crouch have all lost millions in shares. Whatever you say about them they are financially the biggest losers of us all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 -I do not wish to pay towards the players wages -there is massive doubt my money will go and pay administers bills and still not have a club at the end of it. I will not donate for these same reasons. Donating to pay these players (who are wealthy young men) is akin to robbing from the poor to give to the rich. This is not a worthy cause for me personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyFartPants Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I agree he has done a lot of fund raising, but i also do think he should donate £1,000+ and get his name on "the list". You should have mentioned this needed "list" when you chirped away all season about how great administration would be. You never mentioned desperate collection tins going around just to remain in existance. It was a done deal. Administration = A New Begining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I wonder if you realise the irony between your post and your slagging off of the fans that boycotted this season? I was saddened by fans staying away because of 1 man. Their attendance would only have made a small difference to the clubs coffers but it may have helped us not going into administration and also perhaps got a loan in who MAY have made that little difference. Frankly it is history we are where we are, fans staying away for RL dont seem to be streaming back like we were told they would. Would it now be fair to say that RL was not the reason they stayed away but as we were not PL anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin C Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 There are quite a few missing from the list who I would think could afford £1,000. Top of my list would be the Echo, followed by the players (even a whip round making a a grand from the team, would be a gesture), then various people associated with the club LM, the Corbetts, Wilde, Lowe, Cowan, Osman etc. If these people were seen to be giving, then the awlfullness of the situation might just hit home. After all most of the above claim to be in the know about the seriousness of the situation, but it appears it is not serious enough for them to dig into their own pockets. Good point about the players. If only 1k as a gesture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70's Mike Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Lowe, Wilde and Crouch have all lost millions in shares. Whatever you say about them they are financially the biggest losers of us all. not exactly true in lowes case Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Administration = A New Begining. Either through convenience or a through not paying attention you miss the other point i regularly made about administration being inevitable. IT HAD TO HAPPEN. Therefore, and provinding there is a club post administration, we are currently on the cusp of a new beginning. I have no doubts there is more than one party who can buy Saints. I have no doubts there will be new owners in place within 2 weeks. In years to come we will look back at the collapse of the PLC and see it as the turning point - the day SFC reversed the years of decline. You might not see it, but when i'm proved right will you have the integrity to acknowledge i was right all along? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Super Saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I was saddened by fans staying away because of 1 man. Their attendance would only have made a small difference to the clubs coffers but it may have helped us not going into administration and also perhaps got a loan in who MAY have made that little difference. Frankly it is history we are where we are, fans staying away for RL dont seem to be streaming back like we were told they would. Would it now be fair to say that RL was not the reason they stayed away but as we were not PL anymore? To be fair, I've only seen a handful of posters stating they were 'specifically' staying away because of Lowe. It was the likes of 19C who lumped everyone into the one group, which was wrong, as I'm sure there are a myriad of reasons for non attendance, not least the current economic climate.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericofarabia Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 What a strange club we are ' date=' a man who gave us our only throphy in 50 odd years [b']not welcome at the club by some supporters[/b]. Or ex directors. ;-) I think I have stumbled on Lowes Master Plan for the boardroom : Relegation so that we could end up playing Crewe next year and be in with a shout of another piccy of a train or two But with Crewe looking like possible relegation candidates themselves, Ol Rosy Cheeks realising this might make relegation a bit of a waste of time, opted for Plan B (which credit where it is due, is more than most of his managers ever had ) which was go into receivership, get the club booted out of the league and into a money spinning local derby with Eastleigh and another train piccy. Job Done :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgiesaint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Either through convenience or a through not paying attention you miss the other point i regularly made about administration being inevitable. IT HAD TO HAPPEN. Therefore, and provinding there is a club post administration, we are currently on the cusp of a new beginning. I have no doubts there is more than one party who can buy Saints. I have no doubts there will be new owners in place within 2 weeks. In years to come we will look back at the collapse of the PLC and see it as the turning point - the day SFC reversed the years of decline. You might not see it, but when i'm proved right will you have the integrity to acknowledge i was right all along? Stanley, I would agree that administration has been inevitable, that much is clear from the accounts of the last few years. You have no doubts there is more than one party who can buy Saints - lots of people can buy Saints, the big question is will they buy Saints? You have no doubts that we will have new owners in 2 weeks - good, because I have major doubts that we'll even exist & even if we do get bought, we still need to find out what our new owners will have in store for us. Remember, without a plc, there will be even less transparency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docker-p Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 firstly let me say about l mcmenemy i appreciate he done great things for this club in the past the cup and the 80s. but have just read his piece in the echo rallying all saints fans to come along saturday to support the side we need the money and support but i havent yet seen him put any money in whilst he doesnt have to would be a nice gesture after he keeps saying can the fans contribute. You have no idea what he has or has not put in. also does he get payed for these columns in the local rag. if so give that to the cause. HE's earning a a living, how about you donate all your earnings.He has given a hell of a lot of time recently, unlike most sitting on their arses in front of a computor. i am only pin pointing lawrie as he is the one speaking out about the situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miserableoldgit Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 To be fair, I've only seen a handful of posters stating they were 'specifically' staying away because of Lowe. It was the likes of 19C who lumped everyone into the one group, which was wrong, as I'm sure there are a myriad of reasons for non attendance, not least the current economic climate.... Yeah! What ever happened to him/her?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULACZT Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 I agree he has done a lot of fund raising, but i also do think he should donate £1,000+ and get his name on "the list". i gave 999.99...what if he had done the same? Is it important to be on the 'list'?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amesbury Saint Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 i gave 999.99...what if he had done the same? Is it important to be on the 'list'?? Its important to be seen to be on the list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAULACZT Posted 22 April, 2009 Share Posted 22 April, 2009 Its important to be seen to be on the list and why would that be... askham 1 and askham 2!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadoldgit Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 I was saddened by fans staying away because of 1 man. Their attendance would only have made a small difference to the clubs coffers but it may have helped us not going into administration and also perhaps got a loan in who MAY have made that little difference. Frankly it is history we are where we are, fans staying away for RL dont seem to be streaming back like we were told they would. Would it now be fair to say that RL was not the reason they stayed away but as we were not PL anymore? Nail on head Nick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itchen Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Perhaps I missed it but I'm not sure where the money would go if I were to donate some. Yes, we all want our club to survive into next season but I'm unclear where money given now ends up and, realistically, how much difference it will make. A fans collection may raise thousands but we need millions to keep the club going. Are we just being asked to pay the players wages? I'm not up for that, I'm afraid. They can afford to lose some wages much more than I can afford to pay them. And, of course, we know their wages are pretty much guaranteed anyway either from any assets still knocking about or from the PFA (which is not short of a bob or two). Or are we paying the other staff, which is perhaps a more worthy cause? Of course, I may have completely misunderstood the situation - it wouldn't be the first time. But if I put £10, £20 or £1000 (unlikely) in a bucket, what does it get used for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 Yeah! What ever happened to him/her?? He/she is posting again, obviously hoping his/her comments re MO have been forgotten by now!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SaintRobbie Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 I dont care is Lawrie or anyone else puts money in - actions are far more important. Lawrie is trying to pack the ground. He's trying to help. Thats already a far greater contribution than almost any other board member has made to the good of the Club over the last 14 years. I am sorry but this 'put your hand in your pocket to show your commitment' idea is booollox. ACT ON BEHALF OF THE GOOD OF THE CLUB. If we'd all done that a year ago and bullied Lowe we'd have been sold to a new owner by now and IMHO not facing inevitable relegation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldNick Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 He/she is posting again, obviously hoping his/her comments re MO have been forgotten by now!!! i expect that he has had enough of the mob culture.I dont know just guessing Im not ITK on that Ginge. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gingeletiss Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 i expect that he has had enough of the mob culture.I dont know just guessing Im not ITK on that Ginge. lol Can't help yourself, can you. Mind you, given that you jumped on the MO band wagon, then it comes as no surprise, that you jumped in on this...YMML Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
so22saint Posted 23 April, 2009 Share Posted 23 April, 2009 the one thing that strikes me at the moment is. what a bunch of ****s we Saints fans are... :-( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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