Fabrice29

Weird to see the trouble players starting again, THB, Stephens and Downes. Another manager not realising their bad attitude.

Anyone else think it’s odd that news of Romeu signing was leaked the evening/day after the manager was sacked despite not being ready to sign and definitely not ready to play in his first game since May?

Once again I’m here having to point out to supposedly sensible people that talk of ‘regrouping this season’ is all well and good but will involve not winning quite a lot of our remaining matches so I don’t expect to see posts like ‘this manager has been really disappointing’ when that happens.

Downes was out of 3 matches during that period. He was back into the starting line up within 2 weeks. Juric had every opportunity to not call him back if he didn’t feel it was warranted or his was as big as an issue as you would make out. Juric himself described it as a ‘little’ problem. I think Stephen’s was regularly sighted as one of the few players with any leadership skills at all the year we went up so the idea of him not being central to something he was club captain of feels a bit odd to me. And nobody said anything about ‘nailed on’ so don’t stick it in quote marks or judge things by a narrative you’ve started yourself ffs 🤣 But given you start the game with 11 players and Stephens and THB are in the top 10 players for minutes this season, I’d say once again, they’ve played a big part this season. Then again, facts and context might just be club narrative 🤣

Why would they do that? 🤣 I’ll give you Manning and Stephen’s as shite if you like (there would be takers btw) but there would obviously be takers for THB and Downes if available.

This is just absolute nonsense again. Not only did those 4 get picked pretty regularly under Juric (and since) but Downes was playing with a couple of weeks of the end of January. It’s just weird narrative building that doesn’t really have any basis to it. If these were a problem because they liked RM then one of the 3 managers we’ve had since might have looked to have dropped, sold or called them out by now. And given only Stephen’s doesn’t get into the team, and we can put that down him not being good enough then we can call this theory the utter shite it appears to be I think. These 4 were pretty central to the team being promoted last time and probably wouldn’t mind the club getting to those standards again one day.

I’m probably in the camp of the players being to blame and would prefer we allowed a manager some time to sort that out but these guys people are calling bad apples since Martin have gone…have we considered they just want us to get back to better/higher standards than the slop they’ve worked with since?

Was Lallana knocking back PL teams when we got relegated from the PL? Can we just stop a) judging players based on 3 months. B) Sighting random players who fit narratives and pretending their path to success is the only way for other youngsters to make it? Maybe, just maybe, Tyler wants to play in the PL and I’m going to suggest signing for a PL club might give him a better crack at that than not.

Or the ex pompey player and Bournemouth manager

Make believe except for Carragher stating the messages he was receiving during the broadcast last night. Different fans have different opinions shock.

Jagielka and Cahill were mid 20’s when they signed for Everton. Baines 20/21 maybe? Like I said, not comparable. Rice I’ll give you and at no stage did I say Moyes hasn’t guided any youngster well, what I said was Everton fans are criticising him for his handling of Dibling and other youngsters they have now. I’m sure you know best though.

The Rooney that left as soon as he could? None of Cahill, Jagielka or Baines are comparable either.

Think it’s pretty dumb to suggest a team currently under performing, 20th in the Championship and going through another managerial change was the best place for a 19 year old with offers from various top division clubs on the table, to be. It’s genuinely insane logic. But hey, if criticising a kid makes you feel better about Saints then good for you.

That manager is being criticised by Everton fans for not handling him and other youngsters very well. No idea of the merits of that but I said in the summer a Moyes team would not be good for him and also got laughed at for suggesting Dibling without Martins tactics would look a little lost, as he has done since he’s left. I do think talk of the kid being an idiot and ruining his own career is pretty fucking dumb though. Kids 19 ffs 🤣

Apparently bring back Romeu. Merits of that specific signing aside the club continues to play to the crowd, it’s quite funny people think that SR don’t care what they think.

It’s honestly crazy people can watch this season for example, or any of the football under managers since Martin and still think his football was boring. I’m in no way advocating his return, I think that would be a terrible idea, but the rewriting of history of a season in which we scored quite a lot of goals and had a genuine plan of attack which we haven’t seen since is so odd and is just as crazy as us ‘obsessed Martin fans’

That original post doesn’t mention SR anywhere.

It’s actually probably worth remembering the original point I was responding to.

No. In fact it was me who kindly pointed out to those saying it that giving a manager 2 seasons in this league and writing off promotion in May would actually involve losing quite a lot of football matches.

There are people in this thread saying Still was out of his depth and how crap we are who were adamant in May that Will Still would be given 2 years even if promotion wasn’t on the cards. Even arguing that crap football shouldn’t be challenged in the first season.

Yeah we’ve done this quite a bit actually.

Surprised not many of you chatting about O'Neil or Carrick. Maybe the Wolves move this afternoon forced the boards hand.

He assisted more league goals than almost every player in our squad that season. You remember him missing a sitter against Cardiff.

He was excellent here and his record and performances showed that. Anyone arguing otherwise is a fool.

Lets break it down: If we are going to judge candidates of the next manager purely by performance in their most recent role - I didn't say we should do that but somebody with something to point at to give us some hope would be nice. Appointing managers who have proven themselves to be out of touch or not very good at managing seems a bit daft to me. we are going to be picking from an extremely limited pool. Who do you suggest? Guardiola? Howe? Maybe see if Klopp fancies a crack at the Championship? - There are more than 4 managers who have done well in the world, the exact opposite to an extremely limited pool. The club needs a complete shift in approach. It needs to get back to basics - I'd say its as basic as it could get right now, the thought of us being any more basic is incredibly off putting. The players clearly need a good boot up their arse. Football is a pretty simple game which has been massively over complicated by footballing hipsters the past few years. Not least by Russell Martin with his ridiculous commitment to his “style” at all costs - Russel Martins style was to pass the ball to each other, create chances and score goals. If that felt complicated to you, thats a you problem. It got us promoted out of this league and whilst we obviously came up short in the PL, it worked here, with our players. or our present incumbent who made a name for himself by being half decent at Championship Manager. - Literally none of this is true, he made his name by being half decent manager abroad and left a club with better players than ours currently to join us, but given you think there's an extremely limited pool of managers out there it doesn't surprise me that you equate France to a computer game. A Pulis or Allardyce type would set us up to be more difficult to beat almost overnight. He would also most likely sack off this 5 at the back insanity we keep reverting back to - They wouldn't do this, we are back to point 1 but neither of them did this in their last jobs. Will Stills points per game record is better than eithers previous jobs but the main reason they wouldn't do it is because they get far too much attention digging at people on podcasts to even bother taking a job where scrutiny would be applied.