Fabrice29

Love how wonderfully simple it all is. 3 managers in a row now it’s been simply obvious to everyone that the right set up is all it needs and improvements will be forthcoming. Until the next one is relying on Armstrong and Adams to score goals and a few games later they need to go as well.

You’re not a serious football club if you sack a manger after 3 defeats. Nor are you a serious fan base if you demand that, pretty much 3 managers in a row. Get a grip.

There is no definitely. But let’s keep changing managers anyway.

New manager with the same players. That’ll sort it, definitely.

The first thing he did after the first goal yesterday was tell Charles he should have clipped it into the channel. It's also abundantly clear he's instructed Bazunu to pick out runners with long balls but yeah, he doesn't mix it up.

At the very least when we've lost more league games than we have won.

Really don't think this is true at all. Playing out from the back is such a minor thing, it's not a style. Ralph was very heavily off the ball based, he had a playbook that he insisted all age groups worked to so they knew where they were supposed to be at all times. It led to players being under coached on the ball and when we lost a clinical striker we were dropped massively because we were clearly out of ideas. We recruited heavily based on peoples off the ball qualities, we dismissed the likes of Olise because we didn't trust his off the ball ability, just because he tried playing out of the back doesn't mean that was his style at all. Jones was a mess but was quite clearly trying to make us a more physical side. He alluded to that many times and he felt we weren't strong, tall or quick enough. He was quite obviously torn between what he wanted to do and what he thought/was told modern PL managers do so we had this weird thing of passing it out the back then lumping it into the box. Again poorly coached but a clear push to being more "aggressive" as he kept saying. He referenced power almost every interview during January and was eventually given a massive striker and a rapid winger. A week or two later he was sacked. Selles recognised we had recruited heavily for Ralph and so tried going back to that whilst also clearly wanting to modernise the team and making us hard to beat and more organised in transitions. No transfer window obviously and this weird result of combination of styles followed. Martin is completely different. It's clear he's taken us to the extreme other side of things, much more heavily coached in possession and it shows in our movement when on the ball and shows in the attacking player being better but it's at the detriment of the transition so far. The recruitment is also completely different and much more focused on being better on the ball. We're really in a different style of playing completely right now and 6 games really isn't long enough to judge. At some point we'll have to stick with a manager for more than a few games by the way, why not stick with the one who is actively trying to do something different and more entertaining?

Not saying that at all, I'm saying that some of the guys who have been here a while have consistently let us down and been part of teams who have been losing for a few years now. One of those is captain and one is currently the lead fit striker who the fan base didn't want to be sold. It's weird imo but inconsistent players will deliver inconsistent performances and we've got quite a few.

Maybe we don't have good players? That's part of the point I was making earlier.

They were a possession based team for quite a few years under Rodgers, most of their spine yesterday was recruited under him. We've had 4 managers with 4 different styles and recruited accordingly for 3 of those.

This just simply isn't true fwiw.

We've had two bad games in a row. Honestly, this fan base is so ridiculous Fuck it, get another one in and give him 6 games as well, why not.

So much wrong and hysterical about this post but I've bolded a few of my favourites. Just love the idea you can't coach good possession based football and that nobody outside of City tries it, despite being in a league won last year by a team literally who were lauded for it. Also love the idea that we get back to basic and simple football and not only will the players perform but the crowd will love it despite having one of the most basic managers around just a few months ago and the fans booing him off every week because guess what...the players weren't performing. Glorious.

3 different managers with 3 different tactics in the past 8 months but yeeeeeeaaaa, tactics!

Burnley had kept 1 clean sheet this time last season. Also won twice. They obviously weren't wide open like we are but they weren't an end product. We're 6 games in. Good teams don't just happen and they also don't change everything after 2 or 3 bad games.

Final thing on this whole thing now but this narrative just isn't true is it? We've scored quite a few goals this season. Our issues are clearly the mistakes on the ball and the defending off it. I don't think the "sideways" narrative is fair based on the fact that we're much more entertaining in an attacking sense than we've been for a long time now. We just need better goal scorers and to sort out the defensive side. I don't think we're passing it sideways or for the sake of having possession at all.

Stephens, Bednarek, Armstrong, Adams. These have been central to a team that has learnt how to lose for a few years now. I'd much rather we washed our hands with them but somehow one is captain, one is a first choice starting CB, one is vice captain and moved into a position he's not played before while being simultaneously applauded because he runs around a lot and one is considered someone that this club couldn't sell by fans. It's bizarre we've made these people central to our team, and that's both a fan and manager problem. I'd probably throw Sulemana into that too as he's weirdly idolised despite performing well in a very small amount of games for us but his sample size is much smaller.

Our defensive issues have been clear for years and two of the main perpetrators of that are now captain and first choice CB in many peoples eyes. We have bigger issues than a manager.

I'm not saying it's the fans fault. I'm saying this is quite clearly a new set up and it deserves some patience from the fans and the fans not showing that patience doesn't help. I agree it's not the fans fault, I think some of the players who seem to be consistently picked and in idolised by both fans and managers really should take the most blame fwiw.

I think it's 6 games into a whole new way of playing. The first 3 of those games went well. Norwich also had a really good atmosphere about it despite it being full of errors and goals conceded like last night but the difference was the goals we scored. The last two games have obviously gone terribly but the atmosphere has changed far too dramatically for such a small sample size. I don't think there's much difference between Norwich and Leicester other than Adams and Armstrong once again returned to being unable to finish. I think fans shouldn't be so outcome based and should realise that we need some patience and maybe some encouragement during bad moments, rather than getting on the players back immediately, especially young ones. Like i've said, it's a connection thing and the fans have been really really quick to throw the good will from the first few games into the air but I think it's uncalled for.

We were in the top six until the end of the game last night fwiw.

No, but last night we conceded after twenty seconds and most of the crowd was quiet and part of it was obsessed at Vardy daring to celebrate. There's no encouragement, no idea of getting behind them, it's just an inevitability about it. Which would be fine but then it's quickly followed up with anger when Bazunu dares to pass to a defender the next time he gets it. I don't think the players are help themselves obviously, and I have serious issues with certain ones, but I also don't think the fans are particularly helpful either. Even if you cba to encourage, I feel the desperation to be angry at a short pass is genuinely creating a harmful atmosphere.

It's not his team though is it, really? Like you say, he's had 6 games. That's not a barometer for anyone, despite what this fan base seems to think and has given other managers. He's had 2 weeks since the end of a very active transfer window and one of those most of them were away on international duty.

You know Brentford set up corners exactly the same way as we did yesterday don't you? Or they certainly used to, and it worked, and they were praised for it and they had an environment where they were encouraged to do it by both manager and fans who trusted each other. I think that specific example is a sample of a wider issue we have.

I think fans are some of the problem yes. You say compliant but all I see and hear during games is restfulness. Which is some what understandable considering I've spent years spending money on season tickets and barely seen us win but here we have a manager and an idea that is completely different to what we experienced before and is already producing more entertaining football and it's only been 6 games but the fan base loses it's shit when the keeper (who might be the best passer of the ball in the defence) dares to either pass to his centre back or waits a couple of seconds before picking out a long ball. It's bizarre, there's no patience, there's no thought that maybe we need to encourage them to be better at it rather than mocking them for doing it. No wonder players look tepid in their play at times, they've got a manager all week encouraging them to play a certain way but once they do it and it doesn't quite click straight away they've got 20k plus people screaming at them. There's no connection and there hasn't been since Ralph, I think that's a fan base not really knowing what it wants or letting a new manager take them to a place they don't feel comfortable in.