CB Fry

A few divs on the internet's "quest for the truth" is another person's comedy gold.

I don't think they're squeaky clean, just another fictitious opinion you've decided I think. It's a terrible habit.

Linda Smith died ten years ago.

I agree with you about the £4,300 household income thing, it's a terrible bit of massaging of figures which, as you say, you can drive a truck through the holes in it. I'd thought when it was announced that George has come up with a number that is so implausible it won't stick anyway. We'll see. But, Intentionally and relentlessly repeating a big number that is clearly and known to be false has been a UKIP tactic for a long time so maybe Remain wanted their own one to try and hammer into people's heads. That little Hoey snippet is a nice reposte to the fiction that the debate is 50/50, that no one can predict anything and it's all one great big unforecastable mystery whichever way we go. If that was truly the case we'd be seeing something resembling a plurality of outcomes/opinions/models/forecasts. As everyone's new favourite D-list New Labour junior minister from the late 90s ("always admired her, I have") has shown, there isn't that at all.

You enjoyed the Daily Politics today then. I've just seen this bit:

http://order-order.com/2016/04/20/team-corbyn-not-sure-hell-be-leader-by-end-of-year/ Nice administrative error.

Do anything like what?

He's seen a six hour video on it and everything.

This made me actually laugh out loud. Have to say was one of those celebrity deaths which do feel like a mini shock. Clearly we weren't ready for her to leave us just yet. A supreme talent and very hard-worker. She's the kind of person I'd want my daughters to aspire to be.

Maybe - fourth punished as well if both EL and CL are won by English teams. Just how it goes. Suppose it reiterates why the cups have value. Win either cup and you are in Europe come what may.

Where are people getting the fourth Europa League place from? I'm not seeing it anywhere, and I can only see it as (maximum) 5+3, with the team in fourth getting the league based EL spot (the one usually for the team in fifth) with the other two for the two cup winners*. *yes, I know.

Yes he does. Oh yes he does. If you want an fantastic insight into SOG's true mindset take a wander through this masterpiece of a thread. Proper mental. Or, go outside, take a stroll in a park. It's lovely out (in the Midlands anyway).

I think we have accept that other forums have wind-up merchants as well.

Why would that happen? We get three EL spots, only one of them is directly related to league finish - 5th in a normal season. The other two are for the cup winners. If the cup winners are also top five (not top six) then the EL places start to move down the league spots. It's always been the case that sixth and seventh have to hope a big club wins the cups or they win the cup themselves.

In fairness if I was a Pompey fan I would be fuming. They don't need "extra investment" or "ambition" to get out of pigging league 2. They have huge gates and income meaning they should be strolling it. They can save the ambition for when they need to clamber out of (or stay in) League 1. By any measure they should be top 3 all day long this season. Simply hilarious they haven't even nailed down a play off place yet.

York City are magic. Are magic. Are magic. Are magic.

They would have mentally banked those points in hand weeks ago. Oh dear oh dear. Massive, massive club.

I don't fully understand the rules either, but there's no way we'll have nine clubs in Europe. 4 CL and 3 EL in a standard season. Or, if Liverpool win the EL then 5 CL and 3 EL Or if Man City win the CL and Liverpool then the total doesn't change, it just gets shifted about a bit and 4th gets EL instead of CL. Still 5 and 3. This isn't quite a fun as last year's FA Cup runners up stuff it's fair to say.

Nah. Not with the UK. Ireland is EU small fry and bullyable. The UK is very different - if we vote, conclusively (55%) then that will be it - the EUoccracy know that the British have never loved it and it will let us go if the people vote for it. Keeping Ireland in is easy. Forcing the UK to stay in those circumstances would be total stupidity for the EU (or any British government) to even consider. Not happening.

I'd agree with that. A narrow win for In might well be the best path. I fear a big vote for stay seems unlikely anyway now.

Hmm. Maybe. Either way there will be an utter sh it storm if it is marginal either way. A 51% win for either side will be a total world of pain. A 51% win for Out may well trigger a renegotiation rather than a straight exit as you say and a 51% win for In probably will disintegrate the tories as we know them and I think we'd have another referendum within five years. A definitive win either way (in the loosest sense - say 55% which was good enough for Scotland) and that's that. No renegotiation, no second referendum.

I agree with you on the great British public, as I said previously. Just want to show that both sides are using it. Fundamentally I disagree about the leaflet, because it should come from the government, it is what the government is recommending, and I think they should be allowed to recommend it. Whether you like it or not, this is not a general election. It is not a 50/50 choice. It is the government looking to ratify their recommendation. Secondly I've read the leaflet and also have marketing experience in product, packaging and ATL/BTL copy for a decade. Personally I think it reads fine. There's nothing dishonest or underhand about it, already the two things picked up on this thread as "lies" (it's not from the government (it is) it lies about borders (it doesn't)) have been proved to be not dishonest or underhand, but utterly, absolutely, unequivocally true. There's reverse spin going on ("ah yes but that bit is implying so and so") but that's in the eye of the beholder and not actually in the leaflet, as with the borders section. There's nothing anyone has pointed out that is wrong or false, or dishonest or underhand in that leaflet. In fact a £9m leaflet through every door in the country is about the least underhand thing you can do. Everyone has seen it. Personally I don't share your confidence and think Out could well win, especially if some of the small factors that could come into play (something with migrants or terrorism, a high profile governmental crisis not directly related but could be spun that way (doctors strike) ) or something functional (it rains all day on polling day) could tip the balance. It's close.

I wasn't talking about Forster to be fair, but I can't be bothered to keep it going, despite how hilarious it could have been. That Mirror story is a very "early window" thing and relies on quite a lot of other dominos to fall first anyway, so nothing to worry about yet.

Have I? Seems to be a couple of sources and he's linked with one of the biggest clubs in the world so not surprising his future is uncertain.

Looks like another example of a player with his head turned when a big club comes calling. Sickening.