CB Fry

You have no idea how Corbyn will perform at PMQs as he has never once stood at the front bench for anything in thirty odd years in the house. Let's see how calm he is defending the entire party and all policies he has accountabily for. This is is somewhat different to making the odd speech to heartland activists and cherry picking pet topics to pontificate on from the back benches from a cosy position of never being troubled to actually do anything.

Nothing says "down with nepotism and self-interest" than a candidate entirely in bed with the union bloc.

He's been in the Commons for 30 odd years and never once actually had any responsibility for a department or team in shadow or actual government. Never had to truly fight a cause he actually has responsibility to deliver. Being a rebel in a gigantic majority government, or a singular voice in an weak, listless opposition = these things are not difficult. Corbyn has never been tested. We'll see how he performs when he has been tested. If he wins, the playing to the gallery and preaching to the choir will stop.

Completely. He'll be openly mocked. People like Andy Burnham will need to think hard about whether they want to be sat next him on the front bench when the Tories are just laughing at them.

I think we need Corbyn to win, now. The whole thing will burn out, probably by the conference of 2017, leaving enough time for the party to end up with a leader (Hunt or Chukka, whose non-running in this sh it storm looks like a masterstroke now) who might just be able to take Boris on in 2020. Corbyn not winning is likely to create a "we are the 45%" level of interminable sour grapes at grass roots that will just drag on if anyone else is leader. So, let the Corbyn-ites have their little moment and we can all sit back and watch how someone who has spent the last 30 odd years in cosy backbench heaven copes with the requirement to compromise, negotiate, make decisions, lead a team and be held accountable for every decision. Deep down we know Corbyn doesn't really want to be leader. When he is he might begin to appreciate the challenge it brings compared to just being "principled" and cherry picking whichever party policies he wants to rebel against or otherwise. And let's see how he copes in the 24 hour news spotlight when the narrative changes from "isn't it jolly exciting about this chap with a beard, he might win" to the weekly grind of forming a coherent opposition and appealing to the millions of normal people who live a world away from the excitable two hundred Labour activist cheerleaders at Ealing town hall. The news agenda rolls on, and once he's leader he is going to see it roll over him.

In fairness I think the inclusion of Forte was quite funny and I am sorry I missed it.

Waaaaaaah.

Yeah, that's how you win elections. Being popular with grass roots Labour activists. Look out swing voters of Nuneaton and Worcester, the relentless Corbyn winning machine is coming for ya.

And here's a great example of my point.

I was planning to watch Jaws for the first time tonight. Thanks a bunch.

Indeed. Some poor souls have seen 50 Labour activists clapping and cheering Corbyn at a Labour meeting in the back room of a Labour club and have decided that represents the UK electorate. It's like a low budget version of Cleggmania.

Alpine Spur is already calling him Slow-by Smellderweireld.

Harriet Harman isn't close to the values of the Labour party? Okay then. Just a lifetime of campaigning for social justice and just the small matter of shadowing or running pretty much all the departments of state. Nah, she's a Tory because some dribblers on Twitter said so. And the person not only recommending we not only "just allow the government to do what the heck it likes" but also not being bothered about removing them from office in 2020 is you, not me. You. I want the Tories out in 2020, you are prioritising the Labour party having a lovely chat.

I think the point was Tommug included Toby in his multi million pound "outs" column but conveniently ignored Caulker and Steklenberg in his heavily doctored "ins" list. Kinda fair to included either all, or none of them, ain't it?

Seems highly unlikely we would buy two centre backs at this point, having already signed Caulker. Can't see us doing the five at the back thing, so 4 front line CBs sounds about right.

What does that even mean? Sorry, the Jeremy Corbyn campaign does not have a monopoly on what the Labour party "is" or "is not". People on the social democratic end of the party are just as much Labour as those on the far left. The shrill social media idiots screaming "Tory" to any Labour person not supporting Corbyn is pathetic beyond belief. The "something" the Labour party is supposed to "be" is a political party representing working people and social justice. Some of us would like to see that Labour party in a position where it can actually put that world view into some kind of action, like actually being the government, and trying to improve the country and people's lives. The fact that you are happy to see the party "sidelined" just to make a point just feels like walking away from those in need and condemning the country to 15 years of Tory-led government, for cosy simplicity of complaining from the sidelines. Best not accuse other people of being gutless, when you are recommending the most gutless course of action of the lot. Let's not even try and change the country, but lets just complain and "work out who we are and where we came from". For the love of god. Don't you dare try and call others gutless when you have just expressed such comfort at just chucking away the next election. Ridiculous.

I've almost given up posting posts like this, as some people are frankly never, ever going to be able to process the information. Cheers for continuing to try, Lord Trousers.

We do need someone down the left wing, in fairness.

Didn't you say all of this yesterday? Still clueless, especially about Clyne and Toby. Well done though.

I see the whole thing as a victory for big Roman Abramovic's personal bean counters.

Always good to get feedback from one of the forum's great minds.

Not really sure what "actual facts" you are expecting to see during a process like this.

Same here. Pretty forgettable. Not a patch on last year's version, and the new kit video from earlier this year. Oh well, generally our standard is pretty high on this stuff.