CB Fry

Why would BBC news report on Saints winning on the Saturday during their Sports reports on a Sunday which is when when Spurs played Stoke? I call that day - centric rather than London-centric and it kinda makes sense.

Flipping wrist slitter.

Agree with this. Already difficult to imagine both Spurs and Liverpool getting above us. One might but actually think it more likely that neither will. They are weeks and weeks away from catching us right now. 1.75 per game is still a tough ask even if it does represent a drop in form. But right now I don't see why we can't do it.

Frank did apparently. He knew all along. While the rest of us are obsessed with "resources", Frank, who would never lower himself to ever even thinking about "resources", knew we would definitely be second in November and therefore is not in any way surprised.

I'm not "stuck on" anything, I'm just dealing in simple facts. Nice attempt to suggest I am not looking at "the things that are driving our progress" and you, captain Nuance, is the person doing that. Well, there was fu ck all evidence of that wonderful perspective when you were having your little paddy over the summer, was there? Your petulant tantrums over the summer suggested a wee bit more focus on horrible old "resources" than you are letting on now. But then you always are full of it. We are punching above our weight and I am very proud of that.

It "implies" we are doing better in our league position by being the second best in the country (the punching) than our resources, finances, squad cost and revenue (the weight), which is not the second best in the country, therefore our punching is above our weight. Just some people with chips on their shoulders who get upset that we are being patronised and make up their own interpretations what a howwible thing it is to say about us. It really, clearly isn't. Not really about a difference of opinion. We are punching above our weight. Simple.

Wigan, Bolton, Blackburn, Blackpool.

You don't understand the phrase "punching above our weight". Oh well.

We are punching above our weight. But we are also where we are on merit. You can be both. We are both.

Just listened - great job Nick. "Champions Elect" was a brilliant line! We march on.

Nick, you're using that post from Turkish in your defence against me, and at the same time accusing me of being the person that "misunderstands" things. Okay then. You can type and type and type and type whatever feeble defense you like. On a prediction thread, you posted W/L/D the list of games being considered for predictions on that predictions thread. That, on earth, is commonly accepted as a prediction. And you've changed your mind about it, fine. It's nice to admit how wrong you got it. Orrr, the other explanation is you are really struggling with what a prediction thread is. They are, after all, really hard to understand and that. But they've been on this forum for many, many years so it surprising how much you can't grasp the concept. And everyone else on that thread (and, lets be fair, on every prediction thread on every football forum in history) understands how they work. Such a shame you struggle so. Send me a PM and I will explain how work, so you know for next time. That way you won't embarrass yourself again by predicting results you then try and disown.

We're due a win.

None! Immense.

Look, you predicted match by match on a prediction thread that we would lose all five games against the "big five" (including Everton) in November and December. You've changed your mind now, that's fine. Probably worth a bit of humility rather than pretending you didn't predict that, when you clearly did.

You're ignoring the fact that that is all irrelevant. The team that finishes fourth this season - whether it is us or someone else - is 99% certain to get more than 65 points. It will be around 69 to mid seventies, as the last decade shows. That's what fourth place teams get, and worrying about form of any given team in any given season is unnecessary. The chances of the fourth place team finishing on 65 is best described as miniscule.

You're wasting your time. In their world the team in 4th - say Arsenal - and their 70 - plus points just disappear into thin air, leaving the way clear for the Super Saints to effortlessly stroll to fourth with the lowest points total in a decade or so.

65 would have landed us in fifth in 2008/9, Arsenal in fourth got 72 points. I'm not going to bother rechecking 2010/11 as it will be the same kind of thing as you are coming from the "just one more point than fifth" starting point, which is just a pointless argument.

I like it that you continue to try and score this "point" pretty much once a week. And fail. Give up.

Does he? Where?

This is a discussion about points required for finishing positions, not whether or not people think we are better than last season. Us being better than last season does not cosmically change the typical number of points required to finish in any given spot in the league.

65 is definitely doable for fourth. Mainly because I, like many others, am expecting Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal to all be done for financial irregularities and all be hammered for 15 points each come May.

And, just for completeness, have just trailed back about six or seven seasons - 65 is nowhere, nowhere near enough in any of them.

Not this again FFS. If we get one point, or slightly better goal difference than the "average needed to finish fifth" then we will finish fifth. Because another team, surprise surprise, will achieve around the average needed to finish fourth and will subsequently finish fourth. Nice to see thus classic debate rolled out. Well I say debate. It's not really a debate. Just some people being wrong.

That's not what I said at all. Let's deal in facts of what you have said, on this forum. I said your prediction of 9 points from ten games was a prediction for relegation form. Less than a point a game. And I am right, it is. You said 9 points from 10 games was "the level required for 5th/6th". It isn't. Its relegation form. A run like that would see us fade away into eighth, at best as we'd be down to 1.45ish points per game for the season. No chance, whatsoever, of us holding our league position on the back of a collapse like that. We'd be down to eighth-ish after 20 games, with 4th then looking as distant as it did last year. You predicted we will lose all five games coming up against the "big" teams (including Everton) on a prediction thread and then pretended you didn't predict those results. Well you did. Where we differ is I don't think we will lose all those games. I have far more faith in Ronald and the boys than you do. And the other way we differ is I don't need to attribute made up quotes to you, like you make up sh it about me. Everything I write above can be traced to quotes on this forum from you. Let's remember which one of us pretends predictions they make on a prediction thread aren't their predictions. Laughable.

That Villa game has got banana skin written all over it.