CB Fry

Nice reverse-ferret there, but just shows the bravado, bluster and bulls h it surrounding football transfer business.

I'm actually impressed with the Metro here. Most of their stuff is just off the peg wire reports. At least someone on there has taken the time to weave a five line story from a tweet. Almost like proper investigative journalism for them.

I let it burble on for about twenty minutes while I made lunch. The usual rag bag of half truths and constructed inconsistencies with the guy affirmatively stating "it wouldn't have been like that" from a position of zero knowledge. My favourite bit was when he said "there were no skid marks". I mean, LOLZ. After that I switched off as realised it was 90 odd minutes long. Back to mainstream media brainwashing for me. Oh, I'm such a narrow minded sheep. I'm terrible.

Who was in that meeting?

BREAKING NEWS Twitter is brilliant. CONFIRMED.

The global megacorp Aaap3 would never have done this.

I'm not demanding a complete solution. I think you'll find that kind of thing is the domain of yer average rent a gob conspiro-idiot. And you are a pretty average one, lets be clear. The world is a little more complicated than you and your strawman army see it, Pappy. This is all a delicious opportunity to reel you on your pitiful lack of self awareness, though. Great fun. Now, who was in that first planning meeting? That meeting is step one on planning the greatest conspiracy the world has ever known. Step one of a huge project, involving tens, probably at least a hundred people. The fact you think me asking that of you is asking for "the complete solution" is a really quite sweet insight into how your brain processes how the world works. So, who was in that meeting?

Amen to this. Nothing, but nothing, will stop the lunatics going apes hit.

I'm not bring obtuse when a conspriro-idiot tries to accuse others of building strawmen. I am waiting for Pap to answer the question - who was in the meeting when this atrocity was planned, and how did they manage to engage all the people they would need to carry it off without one single person ever challenging the stupidity, pointlessness or pure sodding evil of the idea. How did everyone nod along, they were all that convinced about the catalysing event, and they were all, immediately and without debate convinced that was the catalysing event required. The planes into the tower block. That's the one. Because I've been in meetings about stuff slightly less important like that, and had loads of opposing views to deal with. Just strange how popular that idea was. You wallies can have a jolly interesting debate about the melting point of metal, or what happens when you drop a bag of sugar, or Pap ' s apparent expertise of knowing precisely what would actually happen if a "real" passenger jet flew into a skyscraper. And Pap can do his catalysing event routine because it all justifies everything after the fact, the ultimate convenience for the conspriro-idiot. But what about before the fact. Who was in the room when they planned it? Gimme some straw Papster.

Who is it then?

Who is it, then? Who's the head on your strawman?

They love him in Derby, he has done an astonishing job so far. Really want to see them up tomorrow, and not just because it is an easy away for me. He wouldn't leave them if they go up, and not sure he would if they don't. It's a little bit of a 'spiritual home' for him. If Poch went, he'd be a great choice.

Surely it started before that, you know, when the government were planning the mass murder of hundreds of their own innocent people? Come on, I know you struggle with gathering up your little pieces of straw but come on.

I'd rather it didn't happen, yes. Luckily, it won't so I can carry on supporting the club I do have, not pining after winning the lottery.

That is pretty easy to understand but the impact is so utterly marginal to be non existent in an global team sport played out over 9 months of the calender year, by teams with huge variances in resources. And so utterly marginal that no major clubs in my memory have switched to plain red and seen a direct correlation to success. Leeds switched to white and did okay, though. It's hardly up there with the advances in diet, nutrition, conditioning and our Clive's old eye - gym now is it? The only people struggling are the parade of divs that think our ten-a-penny template red kit is some holy grail of competitive advantage. It aint. All the martial arts research on the planet isn't going to change that.

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This is, conveniently, English football, not the four top divisions of Europe as someone claimed. Would you believe it, Liverpool, Arsenal and Man United at the top of their little table. But Real Madrid and Barcelona wouldn't be top of a similar study in Spain? And who would be at the top in Scotland? For a study based on human psychological reactions to colours in sport the idea that the thesis would collapse the minute one gets on a easyjet to Barcelona kind of weakens the theory. And, in that 2008 study Saints are classified as "red" so the stripes/non stripes thing is irrelevant, as someone claimed further up the thread that it was "all red". The study defines striped teams alongside their plain brothers. But hey, that's science for you.

Actually what swung it for me was the strength of all that large sample sourced scientific evidence making all those football clubs all over the world change their kits to red. In terms of how evidence based science changed behaviour around the world, the red kit thing is up there with smoking causes lung cancer.

Hang on, Dr Strawlock has the evidence, sourced from a large sample. He's a scientist, you know. Coming right up.

Where is this scientific study you speak of? Must have a large sample and everything because someone as clever as you has swallowed it.

If "the point" is demanding we have an owner spending hundreds of millions of pounds to make us Man City Two, then no I "don't see it". If that is "the point" for you then I suggest you are supporting the wrong club, sunshine. Support Man City - they've got, like, loads of money. You'd love them.

Pap, your post is a Strawman you fool. The entire 9/11 conspiracy is a strawman. Yoking together post 2001 increased defence spending/tighter police controls and the attacks on the twin towers and then concluding that the US government planned, carried out and then covered up the greatest terrorist atrocity in history as the only means to achieve those measures is frankly the strawiest strawman in the history of straw. And your evidence is whimsical, flimsy, half thought through nonsense fragments about things you know nothing about, because you know absolutely nothing about what would happen if a commercial airliner hit a skyscraper. Miniscule fragments of inconsequential "inconsistencies" (lets call them straw) that you and your conspiro-idiots then have worked up into a whole heap of meaningless man of straw. The US government did not plan and execute mass murder by flying planes into the world trade centre. You calling that statement of fact a strawman shows what a deluded and gullible child you really are. Strawman me up.

Your point being the only way the US government could facilitate an increase in military spending was by planning, organising, executing and covering up the greatest terrorist atrocity in the history of mankind, killing hundreds of its own innocent civilians. Why couldn't they just increase military spending without doing that, like Reagan did? A few scare stories in the paper, bit of media briefing, that kind of thing. You know, just a weird way of planning stuff really. At best, unnecessary and ill thought through, you know? I reckon they could have got away with buying a couple more warships without the whole organised mass murder of own people thing. But I'm a brainwashed-by-the-mass-media idiot, so what do I know?

Well it clearly isn't true in Spain, or Italy. And not true in France. It would be in England, and possibly Germany (but it's one successful club in red, and there is some variation in Bayern's kit over the years). The biggest clubs in Holland, Belgium and Scotland? Nope. Portugal you have one, but two other big clubs struggling on in not-red. Like Champions League winning Porto. And those red-kit wearing world cup winners in full - Spain (for years, despite being a red kit wearing winning machine were perennial underachievers) and, hang on, I know this. Okay, you can have England who wore red in the final, but not in other rounds. And barely any red countries have even made the final. Red teams have done okay in the Euros but the non-reds - Italy, Germany, France, Greece - still win out. And no team in red has ever won the Copa America. Not one. But yeah, apart from that it is pretty much proven beyond doubt.

Your long post was entirely cherry picking from your usual grab bag of random geo-political/national security issues and rolling them up to the spurious conclusion that the US Government decided to brutally murder hundreds of its own countrymen purely to then bring about an apparent police state. If they wanted to bring about a police state, why not just do it. Why blow up the twin towers? You can quote that "catalyzing event" quote for the umpteenth time but it is just disingenuous and frankly dumb to suggest that means the US government were planning on carrying out the "catalyzing event" themselves. Unless you can bring about how the US state planned, organised, executed and then covered up that catalyzing event with not one person, not one single person at any point speaking up "umm, I get that we want to increase police controls on the people, but remind me again why we have to blow up the twin towers and kill hundreds of New Yorkers to do it? It kinda doesn't sit right with me. Seems a bit sledgehammer to crack a walnut to me". Not one person in the decision making chain of this state organised mass murder "catalyzing event" has ever spoken up. Every person involved in the initial idea, the brainstorming of what the best catalyzing event should be, the deciding on the city or the landmark to go after, the decision to do explosives and planes, not one or the other, the man who contracted the explosives person to lay explosives all over the WTC, the man and his team of other men who actually did lay explosives all over the WTC, the people tasked with finding people to hijack the planes, and so on. All these people. All brought together to construct a "catalyzing event" and how lucky that every single contact, every single person went along with it, not once did anyone of the tens, probably hundreds of people involved not once did any of them think "this isn't right". I wonder why? As with all conspiro-idiocy, it only makes sense backwards. It never ever hangs together going forwards from before it happens. Try it Pap. Just try it. It's January 2001. The Neo-cons are all in a room planning how they can invade Iraq and Afganistan and increase police controls on people. They are struggling to agree the best way of approaching it. Then someone pipes up and says "what we need is a catalyzing event, and I have had a brilliant idea....". Then what happened?