SW11_Saint

On that we can can agree. From the evidence available 50% or more of our fans do not like the new kit. It won't stop me or them supporting the lads - loving it when we win, despairing when we lose. I will just have to put up with us doing it all in a poor man's Liverpool kit! (hopefully for just one season!).

I do love a man who just ignores rational argument with a playground type comment like "oh I don't really care about that...". And you were really born in 1980?!? Do you have some empirical evidence you would rather use?

There you go, red and white stripes - in various forms, I have no problem with that. And the shorts? I am going to answer for you... Black. The socks? Red, white, black - variations thereof. Again, don't care. So the blue short thing you threw in (I suspect to avoid my 'majority' point) is just a red herring. What we have is an all red kit. An all red kit. Red socks, red shorts, red shirt - like Liverpool in the 80's with faint white pin stripes. Nothing like the agreed 'traditional' livery of SFC. More reflective of Liverpool than Saints. That is the point I was making.

Just answer me a simple question - honestly if you are able - in your lifetime, what would you say the most 'traditional' kit associated with Southampton Football Club is? (shirt colours & design, shorts,socks). And remember, I said be honest...

Just using the only evidence available to me - the poll above, the Echo poll, and the comments in Football Shirt Culture.

I think you'll find that was an away kit (and Norwich's trim is green), but it's a silly point anyway. Saints "traditionally", are red and white shirts (usually in some form of stripes), black shorts, not 'all red'. That is more readily associated with Liverpool. That is all I was pointing out.

Yeah, call me old fashioned but I'd much rather we celebrated our own history than Liverpool's. Oh well, as you say just one of the unlucky (majority) I guess...

So Liverpool played in red & white stripes in the 80's? Had no idea...

Because it will prove it is truly popular. The sash kit is our biggest selling kit ever (in League One let's not forget). Guess we could get a few foreign Liverpool fans buying it by mistake...?

Just the one across my chest. My point has always been about GOOD design and some link to the history & tradition of SFC. The sash had both. The Liverpool kit has neither.

So, those who say it isn't a knock off Liverpool kit??

Decent design and it would have been at least twice as long...

Agreed. Have made no secret of my feelings on this abomination of a Saints kit, but calling fellow fans mongs for buying it on release day is out of order. Loads of kids will want it, regardless of what it looks like, and there will always be adult 'blind followers' who will buy a Saints shirt regardless (and of course the minority who do actually like it). Everyone has the right to their opinion, and their right to buy (or not), but let's keep insults to the shirt (or whoever you are bantering with on here!). I hate it, and won't buy it. Sash kit again for me this season.

Always kids and 'blind-followers' who will buy. True test is if it out-sells the sash kit.

Give me the Sheffield Weds one in R&W ANY day, over our scouse tribute kit...

Not on here - it would just be seen as 'different & exciting', or 'taking us to the next level' or similar such bow-locks...

In fact, since the pedants on here keep insisting that the home kit IS 'red & white stripes', by extension doesn't that mean our away kit is also 'red & white stripes' (or perhaps more accurately 'white & red stripes')? Are we allowed to have 'red & white stripes' for both home and away shirts? Perhaps we got special authorisation from the Premier League...?

Do Liverpool fans think they plyed in 'red & white stripes' in the 80's?

Odd that anyone saying they don't like the kit (the majority btw) are lampooned as manic depressives, or derided as not having things in perspective. The kit won't bring down Europe, it won't make me default on my mortgage, It probably won't even bother me that much once I have my initial reaction 'out of my system'. But as a Sints fan, looking forward to our first season back in the Premier League, it is disappointing, very disappointing, to go into it wearing what is effectively a Liverpool kit. Just a shame, and a missed opportunity to herald our return to the top flight in a positive 'Saints-like' way.

Yes, thank god a meteorite didn't strike earth and wipe out mankind last night too.

Cortese has taken a chance. When you take a chance there's always the possibility your decision will backfire. Only having 30% approval rating from a significant sample of your customer base isn't great, but Cortese will measure things by replica sales. I'd imagine there are enough kids / 'blind followers' to give him enough sales for him to deem it a 'success", though I it wouldn't surprise me to see sales way down on the last two kits, despite being in the highest league now. Have slept on it and for me it is still boring, bland and unimaginative - and lacks anything that says "Saints" to me. A shame, but we only have to put up with it for one year hopefully.

Another with no understanding of football culture. It won't ruin my life, but it is really really sh1t.

No, you're wrong. It also had white panels/stripes on the sides, so ESSENTIALLY was a striped shirt. An irregularly sized striped shirt, but a striped shirt nonetheless. I know this as I have just got my old kit from that era as my mum was clearing out her attic and found it up there. Picture from another poster...

Which one? For me it's down to design. Good design, we'll like it. Bad design (like this) we won't. Simple really.

Which only proves that you have no grasp of football culture.