Daren W

Again, lies, lies, lies.... You are Sundance Beast, Flashman and numerous other ridiculous posters. It has been proved... Your inability to tell the truth just shows you up as what you are... a rather sick individual who is now reaping the rewards of his previously shockingly bad behaviour... As for cherry picking quotes, I think that one quote is bad enough.... A liar, a fantasist and a scumbag... Congratulations... A full house...

Nick all I will say is you should have seen the look on my mother's face when she saw 19c/Sundance's comments. Trust me my friend, words cannot describe it... Shock, horror, sadness, disgust, all rolled into one. The man is scum, pure and simple...

Once again a pack of lies from the "man" who only ever seems to post last thing at night. Again, not a thing about the insults you posted on Essrus' website (Does anyone have a link to Essruu's messageboard) have you forgotten that or post it not count as it was another "personality"? As for your re-writing of history.... Allow me to re-introduce you to one of your old quotes.... Sadly your posts prior to Aug can't be located but I think the above makes you a liar as well as a piece of complete and utter scum... I'll say one this last time, and it's this that you constantly ignore and just drone on about the charity comments, if the club couldn't be botherd to give ten minutes to a terminally ill woman and get her shirt signed or photographed with a couple of players then what sort of club did we have?? Like I said, I never expected any money or any help from the club in regards to charity, but i expected a polite rebuffal. To just ignore two,very polite, requests for help is just arrogant and ignorant..(two words that spring to mind in regards to you.) To ignore anyone with a terminal illness in regards to such a simple request just shows how out of touch the club was. Ten minutes, no cost to the club at all and they couldn't even be bothered to say no let alone do something. I simply highlighted that in my Echo Column. No bile, no ranting, just a very simple statement that any pr office with half a brain would have acted on the very first time. No bile, no frothing at the mouth, just a few lines mentioning that the club hadn't bothered to even reply. When I first mentioned it, all they had to do was phone me/email me, and say "Sorry Mr Wheeler,we never got that letter/call/email, unfortunately we can't can't help individual charity cases but if you'd like to take you mother to Staplewood one day we'd be happy to get your mother's shirt signed." Simple, but they never bothered. But at no stage did I "rant" or "rave" that's just in your, obviously rather muddled, pill ridden brain... Got that? you go on and on about me ranting, spitting bile, but that will never make it true. Those that know me personally will tell you that I may be many things but obsessed and ranting is not one of them. A dedicated son, a proud son and a man dedicated to raising money for charity yes, someone whose life has been transformed in a positive, life changing way, yes.... but ranting and delusional? No Don't judge everyone by your own sick standards... Pop a pill and **** off... Oh, by the way, a good writer is a good writer no matter what paper they write for. Martin Samuels for the Mail and Oliver Holt for the Mirror spring to mind, but then again I don't chose newpapers to impress other people, I buy them for the writers. No doubt you're one of the many who buy the Guardian and read it on the train with the Sun snuck inside. A newspaper snob.... how very sad.... lol

Oh you really are quite mad aren't you? Our second relegation was due to Wilde opening the purse strings? Not due to Lowe sacking what is now a title winning manager and replacing him with the Chuckle Brothers. Two years of mismanagement??? Try six. It's a football club, at some stage you have to try to win games and the only tilt we've had at trying to promotion was that season under Wilde's idiots. Under Lowe we have slowly sunk lower and lower. I think most people now admit that Lowe's meddling last year was the primary reason we got relegated. He took a good manager and replaced him with two idiots. He de-stabilised every thing and loaning out our best strikers was just the icing on cake. Would Saga, Rasiak and Stern John have kept us up? Who knows, it's conjecture. All I know is what Martin Samuel said about Portsmouth this season upon selling their best players wiith no infrastructure to replace them. "If anyone is compiling a handbook on how to be relegated then they can't look too much further than Portsmouth." Quite frankly how you can write off two relegations under Lowe as the blame of Wilde and Crouch is just... um... barking.

Oh, so its ok to mock me for my charitable efforts, use and distort my personal circumstances, that's alright but get personal with you, find something that's personal to you and it's a different kettle of fish isn't it? It's ok to portray me as some mad, twisted weirdo, grief stricken and striking out against the club for no real reason but call you mental?? Totally out of order apparently. I had a very real and legitimate reason for not renewing my season ticket last year and for feeling let down by the club my mum had supported all her life but you chose to paint me as a unreasonable, twisted and slightly demented. You led the charge of several online weirdos on here who thought the club didn't have to do one small, nice thing for a terminally ill woman,... I disagreed and was made to look rather mad (thankfully it's not contagious) by you and your chorts and thatis something I will NOT forget... Do you seriously think that after your snide, unpleasant comments made about me on Essru's messageboard, that I'd just think "Oh well that was Sundance Beast, this a different personality altogether" then you're sorely mistaken. You crossed a line then, your card was marked and I will never be your friend or online chum. You're someone I despise and that won't change.... Live with it...

Nope but then I'm not the mentalist here am I? Though to be truthful after reading your posts I do feel like one...

How the blue blazes is sacking a good manager, bringing in TWO numpties and getting the club relegated AGAIN, making amends????????? He's maligned as the fall guy as he IS the fall guy. One relegation is unlucky, two is ****ing careless....

No, that would be the relegations that put this club in freefall... At least Wilde's regime tried to get us back up, they ****ed up spectacularly but at least they tried. Lowe showed not one jot of ambition to get us back up... either times. Pinnacle or Wilde at least Crouch tried to make amends...

Oh I see, so by your standards just showing support or interest in a bid that might save the club is wrong then eh? I thought Pinacle would work, Matt said so, should I and everyone who bought their bullsheet cough up as well? Crouch stepped up to plate and helped out, he didn't need to but he did, he deserves some respect for that, not ridicule. Stumping up the money is wrong, running away from the mess you helped create isn't? You can apply the tag "Trying to save the club" to Lowe and co and yet the man who actually put his hand in his pocket to do just that is mocked, ridiculed and slandered. What a bizarre world you live in you strange little man... The reason we were so close to going out of business was two relegations under Rupert Lowe and that isn't up for debate, it's a stone cold fact. His financial prudence, as you put it, gave us ten managers in as many years and countless pay offs and free transfers and money squandered by finacial/managerial incompetance.... It's going to be harder than we thought, this moving on and letting bygones be bygones malarky, when people just can't leave Crouch or McMenemy alone? It's a thread, funnily enough, about Rupert Lowe being slandered and, quite rightly, getting an apology. Quite how we got to McMenmy and Crouch from that is beyond me.... Some people eh?

Even so, it would still be better than nothing at all.... which is exactly what we got from the other three monkies... Quite why we're still talking about any of the previous bods is beyond me. I left St Marys on Saturday with a warm glow which has subsequently evaporated with this continuance of previous hostilities... Why can't people move on and enjoy an exciting new period at the club? Does seeing McMenemy in the chairmans area evoke that much anger? How very sad....

Pre Season friendlies cannot be taken seriously, they're purely and simply a fitness/evalutaion exercise. Does anyone think the Shamrock Rovers players and fans were worried if they lost to Real Madrid? We are a League One side playing a champions League side, I'm just impressed we scored first.... It shows where we need to strengthen and who will start and who needs more work, but all in all a promising start...

And indeed the irony that you didn't realise my comments were aimed at you...

The people who tried to save our club? Who, pray tell are those people? Rupert Lowe? Michael Wilde? They would be the people who wrecked the club, brought it to its knees and then disappeared when the you know what hit the fan. Two people who loved the spotlight except it was less than favourable.... and then they just disappeared... At least Crouch put his hand in his pocket to keep the club going, so at least that balances out the six months when he was in charge. As for the "light hearted" digs at McMenemy, don't treat people like fools. It's just the usual anti McMenemy bull****. It would seem that financial incompetance is excusable but god help you if you get paid for an Ambassadorial role or get a free ticket as some people on here seem to think it's capital crime...

Wow, incisive debate at its best... The rest of us have moved on Richard, it's a shame you're still trudging out the same boring anti McMenmy crap... Lowe has gone, McMenemy is no longer paid anything by the club, the club has a new owner, it's a new era.... ffs give it a rest... It's boring..

Good grace and commitment.... Oh the irony...

Billionaire takes over club, optimism and feel good factor sweeps St Marys.... And we still have the same anti McMenmy bull**** that has dragged this board down and down... Christ almighty, you mention Lowe on here and people leap onto the their high horse and advise us that he's the past and that one section of the fanbase is obsessed; usually whilst posting page after page of anti McMenmy bile. He's just a fan now, he gave us some of our greatest memories as Saints fans... Just cut him some slack and let it go......

I've read some complete and utter cr ap on this board before, but this crass re-writing of our history just takes the biscuit. I got a whole load of crap, perhaps justfiably so, for ignoring Charlton's history and yet the self same people who slagged me off for my comments say nothing about the continual ignoring/re-writing of our own history? I can't tell you how angry I am that someone of Lawrie's standing and stature can have his contribution to the club re-written as "The guy who got paid £75,000 a year for nothing... Oh and he won the Fa cup once and we finished second behind one of the greatest English side of all time because Man Utd gave up...." Criticise Charlton's history? Mass hysteria. Re-write our own history? Mass apathy. Words fail me...

I see, so now I can't dislike a club then without the pc brigade scouring soccerbase to remind me of Charlton's history eh? Funny how I can insult Charlton's history and get slagged of left, right and centre and yet none of my critics have once broached the subject of Charlton fans violence. Yes I know all Charlton fans aren't violent hooligans but that doesn't stop me not liking the bloody club or is personal opinion banned on here? So Charlton have history, they also have a history of violence and that's what I remember thank you very much.. Having seen numerous occasions of Charlton fans being violent tossers I'll stick to my opinion... which I am fully entitled to without being insulted...

Please excuse me during this Charlton Love in but as someone whose seen their fans in all their, I'll pass on the love... The day I saw that **** smack a child in the head just whilst walking past was enough for me. The numerous other scraps and tussles just added fuel to that fire... So Colinjb, Washsaint, take your comments and place them them where the sun doesn't shine. I don't like Charlton, think nothing of Charlton and wouldn't bat an eyelid if they folded tomorrow...

Charlton = Rank, no mark club, with no real history and a bunch of fans who are too far down the evolutionary ladder to be fans of proper London clubs.... Fact

What he blue blazes is this thread about? Singing about a player who's never played for us or even been associated with us?? Yes Hartson's situation is tragic but as other people have stated, other people are seriously ill from cancer, where do you draw the line?? Get the announcer to say something and maybe a round of applause for the man but terrace chants? No... Not really.. As for the comments about the armed forces, it's funny how people only have their right of free speech because of people who lay down their life for it, can abuse it so. There's something rather cowardly about people who slag the armed forces off and yet would be the first to depend on them if their personal safety/liberty was at risk... Rather tasteless if you ask me...

But with the greatest respects Nick, if a chairman plops two world class players on your doorstep any decent manager would adapt or, better still, use them. I wouldn't expect them to sulk and keep them on the bench... I digress though, onwards and upwards...

Underwhelmed to be honest, I'd have taken Coppell as the most realsitic option. It's amusing to see people say how pleased they are to see a manager of his status in League One... Exactly where he would have been with Charlton... lol I'll just remember being underwhelmed with Strachan's appointment and being pleasantly stunned. My only doubts is that Pardew is a disloyal, mercenary ******... Now prove me wrong Alan...

Don't know if anyone's started a thread on this but who's going? I am and I'll be bringing my mum for her first game in nearly two years...

That's one way of putting it... lol Others might call it tourettes....