Fitzhugh Fella

Good Morning Jason! Good to see another head above the parapet!

OK. Accepted. I think your use of the word "justify" is where Steve was understandably coming from. Jonah started this thread in a similar vein and I didn't initially answer because I don't think anyone has to defend what they post unless it is "legally neccessary". People hold views and people spin - what people chose to believe at the end of the day is up to them. Jonah was fishing (for whales), for what reason I do not know for sure, but I can guess.

Ponty - appreciate you have been caught up in something here not entirely of your making but how else should I "back up with some sort evidence" what Mary told me other than Fos1 confirming it to be true. What else can I do? She told me, I reported it and there was a witness. At a loss to what more I can provide.

Ponty, with respect - I do not feel the need to "justify" my comments re Mary. I passed on a simple fact that Mary told me she felt intimidated and threatened by Lowe. Any more comment on that would have to come from Mary, not me. But as Fos 1 has confirmed that is what I was told and FWIW I believe that is the way she genuinely felt. She did not ask me to post this at all - I posted it off my own back without recourse to her or anyone else. The fact remains that is how she told me she felt. Yes, as FC has pointed out, I have an agenda. I want SFC to be the greatest club in the world. OK - no chance, but I want to maintain the dream I have held since the age of 5. I certainly do not believe it will ever happen under the stewardship of Lowe who I believe not only to be a very unpleasant person but also someone incapable of delivering even a slight improvement in the fortunes of SFC. Because I believe that, I will march and campaign in an effort to persuade my fellow fans that his removal would be in the best interests of our club. We might never be a great club again but under Lowe nor will we be a united club. For that reason his presence will always be a hindrance. So, I admit I will spin or as SoG describes it "play this forum like a well worn fiddle" but I will not lie to achieve what I think best for the Saints. What I offer is my own interpretation - fellow postees can make there own mind up. They know I have an agenda so they can take that for what it is worth but my views are honestly held and expoused in the interests (right or wrong) of our club. I think also some who criticise me and my views should take into account that I post non anonymously, which can be hard when you then have to take flak from people who can do it without having to put their name to their vitriol. "Slag" me as much as you want but have the courage to put your name to your views. Nah - that won't happen will it? I remain, I think, the club's historian for the time being. Rupert Lowe has not taken away that nor has he interefered in my role. For that he deserves credit. Maybe he does not want me to become more of a martyr or maybe he thinks I do contribute to the club in a worthwhile manner. I don't know, but thanks to NickH for some of his comments re museums etc. I actually think Lowe is more in tune with some of those aspirations than most others who have graced the SMS hotseat. Shame we could not build on that. Finally, can I say I support no camp. I do not want Lowe or Wilde in the boardroom and I'm not too keen on Crouch either (although if I had to pick between the 3 I would go for the latter). I think all 3 are egotistical and therefore should have no place running our club. I also think Wiseman, LM and co should accept their day has come and gone forever. I am not prompted by anyone any more. A clean sweep would be ideal as long as someone else was waiting in the wings. Once Bitterne called me a drama queen for posting, last week, that we are near the end as a club. I have tried to contact him via PM to offer to reveal my source but he no longer offers the PM facility. I have, however, told 2 people, I trust, (Weston Saint and Trousers) my source (not LC or MC) and I think they would both confirm the fact I am not being the "drama queen" OB likes to imply. I post on here to inform fellow Saints fans - no more no less. But I hold my hands up once again - I admit I want Lowe out, I want Wilde out - in fact I want anyone out who has contributed to utter disintegration of my football club. And I will post my spin on FACTS I believe not on lies I make up. Can't be any more honest than that. Cheers - Duncan

You would never have been involved in the French Revolution with that "ignorance is bliss" remark. Some are born to lead and some are born to follow, Ponty.

Sounds just like Lowe to me - this is how he acts when challenged.

All bad but WT cost us more than £1m. Ouch. My Burnley supporting friend couldn't stop laughing when we signed him.

He appears to be more capable to be a CCC manager than JP and he has stepped in at a difficult time. So some praise due. There is something I don't warm to, however - he has an certain arrogance (I did not think his remark re the march was very clever) but there again Clough and Ferguson weren't exactly humble. However, I am not sure I would want to buy a second hand car from him. Next week v Cardiff will be a test which he must pass. To lose or even draw will immediately undo the good yesterday's result achieved.

I don't think WT is highly regarded and he will not get his contract renewed. There is a view that if he makes a mistake he soon asks to come off with an injury. In other words not mentally strong. Burley's worst signing imo.

I think you will find the club's stance will be "he never had anything to do with the first team" very soon. Airbrush and Stalin are two words that spring to my mind.

Good finishing meant we were able to cruise the 2nd half, although had they got a second I dread to think how we might have folded. The support was also superb. The march went well and all in all Saints fans have every reason to be proud both off and on the pitch. One word of praise for James, the right back. He has had a torrid time this year but has turned up and never flinched, had some good games and some poor ones but his head has never dropped and he gives his all. Considering it is not his natural position he deserves some recognition. However we all know, this victory will mean nothing unless we follow it up with 3 points v Cardiff. If the fight back is genuine nothing less than a win will do.

Trousers, if I ever get accused of libel or murder will you prepare my defence?

Class post

Bern, I understand your views on the march - sure it may not be everyone's cup of tea but personal insults towards this lad just ain't right - and I know you agree deep down so let's leave that to one side, and go back to debating the merits (or not) of Mr Lowe

But Bern - your comment was very much a case of people in glass houses. Let's not knock a lad because he is just 16 for Christs sake - he is not a child. He was asked to takeover and had the guts to do it and all people like Mark and Nickh can do is sneer and make references to his spots. Both have seriously gone down in my estimation - don't join them. Bloody hell, mate I KNOW you are better than that.

Hear hear well said - I find some of the posts re this lad distasteful and immature, especially the ones that make references to his physical appearance. I am totally ashamed that mockers like Jonah and Nickh stoop that low. I suppose they are both perfect human specimens?

Oh dear Bern...... you ask "is that really the best we can do" this coming from someone who can't even bother to go to the matches, I find rather pathetic.

That has really angered me - desribing the marchers as young kids is very patronising and reminds me when Branfoot made a similar remark when referring to the car park protests. Wotte and Lowe are perfect bedfellows - both out of touch and arrogant.

I bet no one will ever own up to buying one of those Wilde T shirts now, let alone ever wear it again. If I could get my hands on one I'd love to give it to Jonah as a Christmas present. Perhaps get Mikey to sign it.

Sorry, I was discussing my info with someone who knows more about the repercussions of administration and it was his view that this would probably be the end of the club. Perhaps I should not have combined the two bits of info in one post or at least made made it clearer that b does not neccesarily follow a in this case. I understand what you meant now.

was not posting misleading info - merely passing on what came from an absolute impeccable source. I have no idea what happens next if we go into the prophesised administration, true, but should that have stopped me posting?

Thats actually quite funny, Frank

Can't answer the question really - I have no real knowledge of these sorts of things, perhaps someone else?

And I think you can vouch for my source, Ron?

Unfortunately I have to be careful because I don't want to drop anyone in it. Based on what I have recently been told I think the club is now only a whisker away from going under and although this liklihood has been speculated upon in depth on this forum, I think the major players have now accepted the inevitable. And that could well mean, in this financial climate, the end of SFC. It is that serious. And please don't let anyone believe that the club would once again arise from the ashes of administration because, in the present climate the chances of us emulating Leeds or even P*mpey are remote. Hope that is spelt out less theatrically for you? So not much point us all arguing about the merits of Lowe, Crouch and Wilde any more.