Fitzhugh Fella

I think you will find the club's stance will be "he never had anything to do with the first team" very soon. Airbrush and Stalin are two words that spring to my mind.

Good finishing meant we were able to cruise the 2nd half, although had they got a second I dread to think how we might have folded. The support was also superb. The march went well and all in all Saints fans have every reason to be proud both off and on the pitch. One word of praise for James, the right back. He has had a torrid time this year but has turned up and never flinched, had some good games and some poor ones but his head has never dropped and he gives his all. Considering it is not his natural position he deserves some recognition. However we all know, this victory will mean nothing unless we follow it up with 3 points v Cardiff. If the fight back is genuine nothing less than a win will do.

Trousers, if I ever get accused of libel or murder will you prepare my defence?

Class post

Bern, I understand your views on the march - sure it may not be everyone's cup of tea but personal insults towards this lad just ain't right - and I know you agree deep down so let's leave that to one side, and go back to debating the merits (or not) of Mr Lowe

But Bern - your comment was very much a case of people in glass houses. Let's not knock a lad because he is just 16 for Christs sake - he is not a child. He was asked to takeover and had the guts to do it and all people like Mark and Nickh can do is sneer and make references to his spots. Both have seriously gone down in my estimation - don't join them. Bloody hell, mate I KNOW you are better than that.

Hear hear well said - I find some of the posts re this lad distasteful and immature, especially the ones that make references to his physical appearance. I am totally ashamed that mockers like Jonah and Nickh stoop that low. I suppose they are both perfect human specimens?

Oh dear Bern...... you ask "is that really the best we can do" this coming from someone who can't even bother to go to the matches, I find rather pathetic.

That has really angered me - desribing the marchers as young kids is very patronising and reminds me when Branfoot made a similar remark when referring to the car park protests. Wotte and Lowe are perfect bedfellows - both out of touch and arrogant.

I bet no one will ever own up to buying one of those Wilde T shirts now, let alone ever wear it again. If I could get my hands on one I'd love to give it to Jonah as a Christmas present. Perhaps get Mikey to sign it.

Sorry, I was discussing my info with someone who knows more about the repercussions of administration and it was his view that this would probably be the end of the club. Perhaps I should not have combined the two bits of info in one post or at least made made it clearer that b does not neccesarily follow a in this case. I understand what you meant now.

was not posting misleading info - merely passing on what came from an absolute impeccable source. I have no idea what happens next if we go into the prophesised administration, true, but should that have stopped me posting?

Thats actually quite funny, Frank

Can't answer the question really - I have no real knowledge of these sorts of things, perhaps someone else?

And I think you can vouch for my source, Ron?

Unfortunately I have to be careful because I don't want to drop anyone in it. Based on what I have recently been told I think the club is now only a whisker away from going under and although this liklihood has been speculated upon in depth on this forum, I think the major players have now accepted the inevitable. And that could well mean, in this financial climate, the end of SFC. It is that serious. And please don't let anyone believe that the club would once again arise from the ashes of administration because, in the present climate the chances of us emulating Leeds or even P*mpey are remote. Hope that is spelt out less theatrically for you? So not much point us all arguing about the merits of Lowe, Crouch and Wilde any more.

And Ron - I gather the end could well be nigh, from what a little birdie told me today. Am I correct in saying the next board meeting is scheduled for next Tuesday, which would be 3 weeks after the last one?

Didn't he used to drink in the Fitzhugh?

Mark - I have already said I did not ask for him to apologise - I asked him to accept responsibility. There is a difference. However at no stage, ever before, have Rupert and I ever had a conversation about apologies or responsibility and I was not aware he had ever totally held his hands up to the fans or shareholders and said I take responsibility for this mess. I was giving him the chance. As for MC, Mark - you just can't hack it can you. Why don't you ask Rupert how he used to act in her company. I presume you know him? Instead of bemoaning the fact that his boorish behaviour has given me an opportunity to criticise him on this forum why don't you find out just what sort of things Rupert does when people don't do as he wants - go on go find out. I know from personal experience he likes to boast about how he browbeats and intimidates people You might get a bit of a shock to hear some stories at how he actually behaves. Or alternatively you can continue with your one man admiration society with your fingers in your ears and you head in the sand. Unfortunately Mark you can't stand the fact that the man you have verbally wet yourself over for the past decade is a seriously flawed individual. You just can't stand the fact that your hero, the man you have slavishly praised for years, appears to be no more than a bullying, arrogant, pompous, pig-headed, ill-bred man who has not an ounce of humility in his body. Actually come to think of it the two of you are well-matched - a marriage made in heaven perhaps. Apologies for being a little rude but the tone of all your posts are condescending and arrogant - so have some of your own medicine. Now go pick up the phone to Rupert. Go on!

Well, Mary told me she felt intimidated by him as we left that meeting. Later on in another conversation she told me of a couple of incidents which led to that feeling and I understand very well why she felt the way she did. What people read into that is up to them. The "with respect" is important because Jonah was accusing me of childish behaviour at the AGM. And no, AM made no mention of the photograph in the pre meet and neither did LM and there was no priming of questions by anyone. I did ask what they hoped to achieve at the AGM and the answer was to ask a series of relevant questions arising from the publication of the report. Unfortunately that plan seemed to go out of the window once Rupert opened the meeting (following apologies for it's lateness and Wilde's absence) by reading an anonymous letter which basically stated he was the best thing since sliced bread. Whether he was Crouch baiting or not, it was a singularly stupid and crass thing to do, and set the scene for the anarchy that followed.

Nick - I am not going to elaborate on why MC felt threatened by Lowe except to say that's how she told me she felt. I do not have her permission to say anything further. Sorry. At the meeting were all the ex directors (except Wiseman) who voted or supported Wilde and Crouch at the time of Lowe's departure inc LM and his wife. And for Jonah's benefit - I apologise for saying Lowe never attended AGMs. He certainly was not at the AGM of December 2007 and I also recall him missing one other. So that means he has attended one by my reckoning. I hope you will acknowledge the fact the minutes missed out my "with respect" remark when I questioned Lowe personally at the AGM and would like to point out again, it was the first time I had personally ever made that point to him.

I think it arose from his duels with Dennis Hollywood. Remember Docker Walker getting Summerbee sent off at the Dell - the Milton loved it.

Glad you think that is a result! Presumably tongue in cheek but at the end of the day it aint funny.

Lowe's acceptance of blame go back nearly 4 years now and were never made in front of me or to me, therefore I do not regard my pressing the point 3 years on, face to face at an AGM to be unreasonable, especially as I had never done so before. I can assure you Mark I said "with respect" - at that stage I was very aware of AGM protocol and the need to be civil - the fact it was not reported in the minutes just shows how dangerous it is to form views on behaviour by simply reading minutes. The pre-meet breakfast was not for anti Loweites perse - it was a chance to form some sort of coherent organised response to the figures by a group of people who were involved in some of the figure work and decisions at the time. There was little anti Lowe rhetoric and certainly no sign of any planned walk out. I seem to remember Leon saying saying something about a vote in no confidence from the floor but that was about it. I have spent several hours in Crouch's company and I am surprised at how un vitriolic he is about Lowe to be frank. The only person who mentioned Lowe to me, specifically was Mary who told me how she found Lowe so intimidating - sometimes even physically so. She said she felt apprehensive about questioning him in public and appeared frightened. I have since found out why. Oh and no Lowe never acted that way to other Chairmen at an AGM but only because he never attended one when he wasn't Chairman.

The hypocracy of your first paragraph is breathtaking Mark. What's good for the goose etc. So Lowe can wind Crouch up but Crouch can't wind Lowe up?