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At the risk of moving away from the political sniping on here and while waiting for my 24hr 3 post embargo to expire the thing that's been troubling me is this figure of £200/£300k that's being bandied around for the cost of retro fitting sprinklers in similar tower blocks. In a previous life I bought sprinkler systems for a large retailer and while the primary design of our systems was the protection of property and asset, for a 40,000m2 store new build the cost was between £550-£600k. This was a build with largely straight unhindered runs, very few wall penetration, would require fewer heads than a tower block of that size and was using fully compliant and certified manufacturers and installers to LPS standards. Also we had to have a huge water tank as you can't rely on mains pressure to feed the system. This has potentially enormous structural considerations to an old building

Sorry Johnny, the European Standards on both Building Regulations and Fire Standards are more stringent than the British Standards. If you look at the Part B Building Regulations it clearly states that while the British Standards are sufficient to pass European Standards are the preferred higher standard

More of a concern is whether tower blocks designed and built in the 1960s/1970s are now fit for purpose almost 50 years on. Any changes to regenerate these blocks are little more than polishing turds

Hopefully to put your mind at rest Tim, this is a brief table how each of the insulation materials burn. (note this text is taken from a document specifically for rainscreen cladding) "EPS will initially soften and shrink away from a small flame, but will then melt and burn. The voids created by melting admit oxygen, which intensifies the fire. Molten flaming droplets can spread the fire. All the material between the metal facings is likely to be consumed, leading to loss of structural stability. At the outset of the fire, development is fairly slow and contained. In a well-established fire, the material will contribute to the fire development. Delamination and collapse may be sudden. EPS was recognised as the worst of the plastic foams in fire conditions. Extruded polystyrene (XPS) is a thermoplastic product equivalent to the flame retardant grade of EPS, but behaves similarly to EPS in fire conditions. PUR is combustible. However, it forms a char layer which tends to inhibit further combustion. The char layer is relatively fragile. It may break off to expose fresh combustible foam. PUR also contributes to fire growth in a fully-developed fire, giving off black smoke and toxic fumes, including hydrogen cyanide above 850oC. PIR, a variant of PUR having improved fire properties, is difficult to ignite and exhibits a pronounced charring which enables it to withstand fire for longer, but is ultimately combustible. Phenolic foam is difficult to ignite. It chars, gives off fumes and burns with black smoke, but flame spread, smoke and toxic fume generation are moderate. Rockwool mineral fibre, inorganic rock fibres bonded together with small amount of combustible binder, is non-combustible."

This is where the problem is with rainscreen cladding systems and the insulation used within. The insulation core can be made of polyurethane (PUR), polyisocyanurate (PIR), expanded polystyrene (XPS), phenolic foam or mineral wool (Rockwool). All are combustible to varying degrees (mineral wool is the safest and most expensive) and behave differently in a fire - some won't propagate a flame for example but melt and this melt can be flammable, some char rather than burn and some smoulder rather than burn releasing thick smoke.

Getting redirects to Google play for Uber and malware pop-ups but strangely only on the Nile Ranger thread?

Has anyone checked PoL for the Scummers takeover saga thread?

Keep getting multiple redirects to Play Store for Russian Bride, Game of War apps when viewing the forum home page and the main board page while using android.

Saw Neil Ashton 'wrote' it, didn't bother reading any further

I expect Agent A was duty bound to inform Ron of the Everton interest as he was their number one target, however it is pointed out to Ron by Agent A that there is a career path to Holland/Barcelona by staying with Saints. Negotiations progress with Les, Ron and Agent A and all of a sudden Ron is made aware of the wages on offer at Everton and shouts in his best Jerry Maguire "Show Me The Money!" Agent A questions whether the move, money aside, is in the best interests of Ron's career goals. Ron gets shirty, bins Agent A, signs up with Agent B - who mysteriously has done a lot of work to get everything in order for Ron already - and the rest history. I wouldn't be surprised that the Holland job is available around Christmas 2017 or the Barcelona job within 2 years and Ron will be off quicker than you can say 'Bindipper'. All IMHO of course *takes off tinfoil hat*

And agent A thought RK was better off (assume career wise) at Saints.

Talking with Adam Blackmore on Twitter it appears Ron sacked his agent because he wanted (the agent) to push De Boer for he Everton job and Ron wanted it. Make of that what you will

So in summary: Koeman and agent 1 happy to talk at end of season about extending contract. Meanwhile agent 2 gets tip Everton want Koeman and starts early discussion telling Everton he can get him for right price. Agent 1 still working with Koeman and Saints on extension - which Ron happy with. Agent 2 then makes contact with Koeman and says 'I know you're happy at Saints but I have £7m on the table for you, you just have to bin agent 1 and come with me'. The rest just unfolds as it has. Cockroaches, the lot of them

It's worrying...all the best candidates are getting other jobs...Monk, Coyle, Pearson, Di Matteo.... ;-)

Can only think that the match ball was supplied by Harry Kane today. Surely that's the only way he was able to take all free kicks (dreadful), penalty (missed). I'm honestly surprised he didn't tell Hart he was taking the goal kicks too.

We will never be Big-Time until we have a Harbour Potty-Dome...

Nobody more surprised at that win than the York City fans. However it does explain what that unusual smell was up here last night ;-)

Breakdown EP by Fourth Engine Debut release from this Bristol based synth duo. Think Portishead meats Moroder. https://fourthengine.bandcamp.com/releases

Well it's a good start to my prediction league campaign

Would love to hear Les' thoughts on the role of true England squad set-up and unsettling players.

lol, I see what you did there

That can't be right, plenty on here thought that all our intel and Black Box targets would be off to Spuds when Paul Mitchell left?

Took my 6 & 7 year old lads to their first game yesterday, so wanted a Saints win more than ever to seal their allegiance for good. Kelvin was superb, what a pro, Pellé impressed me with his hold up play - being such a size though an asset I can see why weak refs give fouls against him as defender's get knocked off him. Thought friend wasn't going to give the pen and boys were delighted to see Pellé score. We do seem intent to try and walk the ball into the net and a reluctance to shoot - we have some good opportunities to work the keeper but nobody seems to want to have a crack from the edge of the box, or just outside. All in 560 mile round trip, happy boys and back just in time to watch MoTD's rubbish highlights. Only downside was i couldn't find any giant foam hands to buy :winkything:

Taking my 6 & 7 yr old lads to their first game. Nothing but a win will do

The wife was cabin crew before and after 9-11 and she and a number of her colleagues had a tacit acceptance that if this happened then they were, to put it bluntly, expendable to prevent access to the flight deck