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I meant scientific papers, not the Daily Mail.

Have you tried reading about the science?

I don't disagree, but the more attention climate change gets the better IMO.

The more I read about the science, the more I think Extinction Rebellion are right. Doing your own little bit helps but real change has to come from our governments.

They would be ****ed if Howe goes, it’s very much a Fergie type situation down there where he controls everything. I’ve heard he would only leave for ‘a big London club’ though.

As above, we’ve had tough fixtures, we will be fine. Worried about the lack of decent central midfield options though, a few injuries are we could be in trouble.

Yes. With this owner we would be ****ed if we go down.

This, I expect the Lib Dem and Brexit parties will both take a lot of votes of the two ‘main’ parties if there is a GE. I would be amazed if Labour or the Tories got anywhere near a majority.

Agree with this. We should all be big enough to admit when we have done wrong regardless of how long ago it happened.

You are probably right, which is why a second referendum is the obvious way forward.

Yep, but the backstop was why it was considered sh!t, and it's the NI border that is causing the issue now.

What, the agreement that pretty much everyone said was sh!t?

Looks like after three years of internal fighting, time wasting and can-kicking the Tories are focusing on stage managing an outcome that blames everyone else except them.

If they choose not to vote then that is their choice, just like any other election. Those in power are representatives of the people doing what they think is best for the country, that's what a parliamentary democracy does. Obviously a second referendum is not ideal, but unless Boris comes back with his "easiest deal in history" and it gets approved I can't see a better way out of the mess. I'm not overly bothered if we leave or not (at the start of this thread I was arguing for leave) but the idea that we need to blindly plough ahead with a no deal, no matter how bad the probable/possible consequences, for the sake of democracy is just complete bullsh!t.

Except if the people of the UK still want to leave, they will leave. In a democratic kind of way.

Makes sense to me. Problem is if our government do this and remain won then the Tories will get destroyed by Farage at the next General Election. So for the good of the Conservative party we have to just plough ahead with no deal regardless of how bad the consequences for the country.

Nothing is going to heal the divisions, all that matters is doing the right thing for the country. A second referendum is obviously not ideal but not as bad as just ignoring the will of the people, or probably crashing out with no deal.

Anyone who loses friends because of their political views is an idiot.

Why would we need to threaten no deal if it is the "easiest trade deal in history"? Fact is no deal still is a possibility, and was the whole time Mrs "no deal is better than a bad deal" May was negotiating. Unless Boris explains his solution to the NI border problem it is an irrelevance because the EU value the integrity of the Single Market over a trade deal with us. This whole legal circus is just to distract us all from the fact that Boris has no solution to the NI Border. The Brexit that was sold to the public requires a border.

Like when Boris and his pals blocked May's deal?

If Boris wins it will be because he is up against Corbyn. Fred West would have an outside chance of winning against that ****. I think we should all have good reason to despise our FPTP system of democracy, for forcing that choice on us.

Do you really think the threat of no-deal made that much difference? The EU know that no deal would be much worse for us than it would for them, and more importantly they know that we know that. They know it's only "on the table" to act as a threat not because we actually want it to happen. It's a blazing saddles, don't move or I will shoot myself in the head, situation.

It will be interesting to see what deal he comes back with, my guess that he won't get anything substantially different to May's which is why he is so desperate for a GE before October 31st.

Surely as Boris was the main Brexit cheerleader he knows what leave means, and we are kept being told leavers knew what they were voting for. So it's quite simple, whatever leave Boris comes up with vs remain.

It would, you get Parliament to agree on the deal subject to a legally binding vote and if we vote to leave it wouldn’t have to go through Parliament again.