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Good things come to those who wait! Also if hosting the World cup means some fort of funding from the FA it might not even be a gamble.

The way pompey are going they will be lucky to have a club let alone a new ground. Plus if they go down, with their poor support there will simply not be demand for a new ground. A 40K stadium would be a complete white elephant in Plymouth or Bristol, Southampton is the logical venue - best location, most cost effective stadia and best transport links.

That's fantastic news! lets hope the council don't **** it up, Southampton is easily the best option for the South.

Fantastic! An opportunity to spend 50 million of your hard earned £'s to get the club something that 9 out of 10 other clubs already have. I would hate to see the downside in owning pompey.

We all know that certain refs are complete pussies and just can't handle the pressure at places like Old Trafford. If it was City pushing for the winner and 70,000 plastic reds calling for the whistle the spineless **** would have blown on the dot of 94mins.

Whoever started this thread is a penis.

You make the threshold so high that it is hardly ever used.

I think the Fred West case illustrates a case where there is no doubt (bodies under house, wife admitted, torture on tape, numerous previous witnesses of abuse etc). When you compare that to the flimsy evidence that was used to convict the Jill Dando murderer - who was later released. You can see that there can be a million miles between two different murder convictions.

We will need to produce Championship form to reach the play-offs, which whilst not out of the question is very unlikely, especially considering our poor start, and we were not exactly great yesterday. Much will depend on how the league pans out, if the top 6 team stay in good form we wont get a sniff regardless of how well we play, if it's quite a close league sometimes reaching 6th is not that hard if a good run is put together.

I thought he looked good, apart from the off-sides.

You are right about the way to combat it - totally. The measures you state above are way more likley to happen if groups like the EDL make the government stand up and take notice. EDL are not going to root out the Extremists themselves, they are never going to be a major political party that can change things themselves. Their job is to put the issue on the agenda, make the government realize the problem and act on it - mostly in the way you say.

that's where peoples views differ. Justice is about fairness. If someone in my family was murdered I don't think it fair that the person who did it spends 15 years playing playstation, and be fed and kept at my expense only to leave and live a normal life when every connected to the victim has to suffer their whole life. Capital punishment is not nice, but it is a hell of a lot nicer than what murderers do to their victims. Its harsh but totally fair. Retribution and evening the score would be to torture them and kill them in the same way they did.

Why does it matter if it's a deterrent or not, it's about justice.

Didin't see how it started but from what I saw the Yeovil mob were just as up for it as the Saints lot. All a bit pathetic.

It's pretty clear to me that it's extremists they oppose... "We are a non racist and non discriminatory protest group who believe in an integrated and peaceful Britain with one law and one society, respected by all of its members. The EDL will continue to peacefully protest and highlight the issue of unrestrained Islamic extremism in the UK, unless and until the government take concerted action against those who preach hatred and wish to harm the people of this country." Obviously their cause attracts BNP nutters but it's a sound cause IMO.

I fail to see what is wrong in opposing militant Islam, obviously alot of BNP ass holes turn up a the demos but that doesn't mean their cause is wrong.

Insults aside, you fail to answer any of my points about about some convictions being safer than others and how the death penalty could easily be introduced for those cases where there is no possible doubt of guilt.

Are you 12 years old or just completely stupid? All those people you mentioned were found guilty beyond REASONABLE doubt, get that REASONABLE - look it up in a dictionary. Reasonable is different to no doubt, let me illustrate for your tiny little brain. Man 1 is found guilty of murder on the basis of a couple of Police eye witness statements, the gun was found at his house which matched the bullet and police found gunpowder fragments on his clothes and body, plus he had a motive. He is rightly convicted as it is beyond reasonable doubt despite him claiming a stitch up. Man 2 is caught clearly on CCTV shooting someone in the face, he is immediately caught at the scene by Police in full view of numerous witnesses, with the gun in his hand. He admits the crime. There is no doubt man 2 did the crime, man 1, though guilty, in theory could have been the victim of an elaborate plan so wouldn't hang. Is that clear enough for you?

You must be thick if you don't understand the difference between reasonable doubt and no doubt. Some court cases are open and shut with overwhelming evidence, others hinge on the odd bit of forensics or an eyewitness testimony etc.

I'm not reason my argument because the Lowe debate has been done to death and you have been proved wrong too many times to mention. It's just boring now and I cannot be arsed. My point was that I don't even think that you believe the rubbish you come out with, you are just on the wind up. Continual wind ups like yours ruin this message board.

Looked to me like they were exercising their right to free speech and a counter demonstration confronted them and it kicked-off. You have to wonder about who would be so opposed to a protest against terrorists?

Why do you think the Asian population are so shy in coming forward with their opinions? Virtually all asians I know are openly anti-sematic and anti-american, being Pakistani they also hate Indians. From my experience their racism is not even taboo in the slightest.

Defence League is pretty accurate considering they are against Muslim Extremeists, who consider themselves at war with you and me.

I think you've illustrated the problem, you associate the word English with racist - that is wrong. It's just like you can have the Music of Black Origin awards but if you tried to set up a White Music awards you would get hounded out of town. There is no doubt these marches attract BNP nutters, but you cannot say that what the cause stands for is wrong.

Does anyone else think this Nineteen Canteen nutjob should just be banned? No true Saints fan could possibly compare Lowe to Lawrie Mac, one got us relegated twice and sent the club into administration and the other won our only trophy and basically put us on the map. This bell end is just on a wind up, mods do us all a favour and kick him off here.