bridge too far

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20720383

Watched the whole series - loved the Heston bit the other day too. I reckon Kerri to win.

Pompey Optimistic Opprobium Pedants?

But cases are often dismissed because of incorrect paperwork / mistakes whether or not the magistrate(s) agree that an offence has been committed. Having recently done one myself, I reckon he should do the morally right thing at least and pay for himself to go on a Driver Awareness course.

LOL but we sank rapidly - great, great grandmothers in service and a great, great grandfather in the debtors' prison.

Sounds like a brothel

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I, too, am from Sholing and I went to junior school with a number of residents of Botany Bay Road, particularly the Bowers boys. My brother has done extensive research on our family tree and one interesting fact is that we're distantly related to Matthew Pinsent! Our families originated in Europe, being minor royalty that lived in Germany, France and Belgium. I think most people in this country are descended from minor royalty.

Chinese would be more useful I would imagine but is, apparently, devilishly difficult to learn. If you can speak French you'd probably find Spanish fairly easy. I can speak a little Greek and Russian but I find it very hard going to actually read the cyrillic alphabet.

Not bad for a 'golden goodbye' "His move comes on the day parent company News International revealed £10.8m in severance pay, understood to be for its former boss Rebekah Brooks." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20701000

Cases are often dismissed on technical grounds, i.e. forms being wrongly completed. So you might be OK I'll be a character witness if you'll agree to pay half the cost of the speed awareness course I've just done

One child getting married One daughter having a second daughter, other daughter having a second son (within 5 weeks of each other!) Selling house within 24 hours - haven't moved yet though due to the slowest solicitor in the world Saints promotion of course!

You don't even read my post that you quote in your response do you. If logic and reason don't answer your 'questions' it's no wonder I resort to being patronising. I, and others, have answered every single one of the points you raise. However, like a needle stuck in a record, you repeat your 'questions' ad nauseam - attention seeking, maybe?

Repeat after me: No church is to be FORCED to marry same sex couples in their churches / mosques / synagogues / temples if they don't want to. Churches WILL be allowed to marry same sex couples if they want to. Understand?

Corrected it for you

Are Turkish and TDD one and the same? They both have the ability to engage in circular argument and appear unable to break out of the circle, in spite of logical answers

Praise the lord! Jamie - straight people can get married, same sex couples can't. If same sex couples COULD get married, there'd be no need for civil partnerships. So everyone would be able to get married if they wanted to. Why on earth would you want a civil partnership when you have the option to get married (an option gay people don't have)? Get it? I'll repeat it (since you don't seem to be able to grasp the basics) - if the same rights to marriage were afforded to everyone, there'd be no need for civil partnerships.

If everyone had the same right to a marriage no-one would need a civil partnership. It's the fact that same sex couples don't have the same rights that is being debated. What advantage would a civil partnership bring to you and your partner?

But you can get married in a Register Office if you don't want a religious ceremony.

There are some people in society who look to move established institutions into the 21st century, be those institutions ones that deal with faith, education, health etc. etc. If we hadn't had such movers and shakers in the past, children would still be working in factories and up chimneys, women would be treated as lesser mortals (cue mysoginist 'jokes') and poor people wouldn't be enfranchised. I have a relative who is a Catholic priest - he favours same sex marriage and posits very liberal views. Not all clergy are dinosaurs.

Oh FFS Jamie, at least read the comments and try to understand them before you start repeating your mantra. Some officials in some churches do support the idea of same sex marriage. Also, with the planned legislation, no same sex couple will be able to force a church to officiate at their wedding. There will probably be an opt-out clause so that no priest is forced to do something he doesn't agree with.

Some people are able to understand more than one point of view. A person doesn't need to be gay to understand why some gay people have this desire to be married in a church.

Shame you didn't bother to read the link because it explains why some same sex couples want to get married in a religious ceremony. I know you'll find this hard to believe, but some gay people have profound belief in their faith. Why shouldn't they have the same freedom as anyone else to participate in a religious ceremony. Better that they have this right than a good number of heterosexual couples getting married in church when they have no faith at all!

Full and clear explanation of the issue: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-18407568

Some churches do agree with the idea of same sex marriage. All this legislation is seeking to do is to offer same sex couples the same rights as heterosexual couples IF THAT CHURCH AGREES. I don't believe in marriage or in any religion but I can see that some people who do want to celebrate their faith(s) in a religious ceremony and I don't see what the problem is.