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The club referred them to the website for updates. They don't know yet. 🙂

I certainly enjoy the community connection with a smaller, local side. I had a post ready when someone mentioned Saville, earlier. As serious as this is, that was far worse. And I'm still here now. So, I guess I'll still be supporting going forward. That doesn't mean that, depending on the report, anyone in the current structure should still be here. @S-Clarke posted some detail of the mood darkening at 'boro, when Parsons fessed up. Unless Dragan has chatted to him and said "here's what I want you to say" then he's out the door. naive to the point of incompetnece and beyond in any competitive industry. Still processing it a bit. So, I'll see what comes out. It's certainly changed how I see myself as a supporter, and how I can express views on some subjects.

> Puts hand up in an instant. < Based on this... Spied v Boro - punted out of playoff Spied against 2 other clubs. 4 points deduction. I think 6, but -2 for our co-operation. So, following that, 2-3 points per game. At some point, they may just decide to relegate us, and void our matches. They have a new precedent set (appeal pending) Oh that's hard on them. They've only just got past their first glitter picture. joining the dots is months away... 🙂

Aha! Our cunning strategy of being kicked out in 3 days rather than being kicked out in 14 defense, since Parsons fessed up to it all. >sigh< Yeah. It has that feel to it. Making tea, I've had to turn the radio away from 3 mentions of us this evening. No doubt there was plenty more of it. I'm sure we wanted to be famous, not infamous. 🙂 "Gosh! Too busy to check into SaintsWeb. I'll just check the official site to make sure everything's fine after the appeal. Yup. Tickets now on general sale. All good... ... hey! Is this a new shirt the club have released just for Wembley? It looks just like a Middle...oh....noes...." 🙂 You're always looking for something to go with that Parsons tattoo. 🙂 Please check you're predictive text. The word "appear" seems to be getting added into sentences. 🙂

I had a moment of thinking that I had my local team to still support. @Gloucester Saint was having a similar path, I think, and probably others. But, for me, it was just a moment. That might change again, depending on what else comes out 🙂 Fine up until 72 hours for EFL. Beyond that, clubs are considered to be fine to work on specific game tactics. Whether it's behind walls or on a playing field. Formerly bad form, but now could be 3 points per game/ forfeiting the game. Or, if in a play off, lose it automatically. Had that been in the rulebook, perhaps people would have adhered more to the fair play aspect. Enter Scott Marshall QC! 🙂 If not exploring legal options, then certainly having a word with their agent. A possible 40% pay rise plus loads of bonuses and career opportunities gone. And the guy who may well be responsible (Tonda) is standing there trying to motivate you ahead of another season of it.

Noes! That's what li'l Parsons got told, when he was a kid! Look where that's got us! 🙂

Just wait for the news that the season he was there, is also now under review. 🙂

"ignorance of the law is no excuse" is a pretty basic one. One that no one seems to have told Parsons or anyone else, unfortunately.

I thought, due to the logistics of switching around the supports, we'd all be getting free 'boro shirts, and have to support them through gritted teeth. 🙂

It's not continuous. Occasionally LD types "chicks" 🙂

Gentlemanly, assuming responsiblity and sportsmanlike from parsons in communication with a peer. Like yourself, in my industry, he would never reach a position where he would be able to hold such a conversation. Niave, irresponsible and legally reckless from parsons in communication with a litigious competitor.

If true, it's more self inflicted all the time.

Where are you on the scale now? It will be nice to know when acceptance kicks in 🙂

I know where we can get a grassy knoll, and a lone intern, if that helps. #jokingbantz

Wasn't there a single person at our club to advise him otherwise? Or is this a result of SR having gutted all the scouting, into data led decisions, so we only had interns to send. "Southampton's key defence was that Tonda didn't know and it didn't come up at the garden centres our interns worked at." Tonda, unlike us, can always just move up to the PL, as I understand it's not a rule there.

I heard he'd been put off his game, by someone lurking behind a tree.

This is where I am. Yes, they have made a decision (appeal pending). Yes, if we did it, there should be punishment. If we did it often, it should be more. The jump from the pre-rule punishment to here just seems massive. Yes, the club should have taken the worst case scenario in the open ended list of sanctions as possible. But, had we missed out through results, I'd have been hoping to build on this season to get us over the line next season. So caught between the club accepting accountability and the pitfalls of tearing it all up again for next season. Mind you, if I had worked my butt off to be a match away from a 40% pay rise plus loads of bonuses and career opportunities, only for my bosses to screw it up, I'd be questioning my loyalties.

Yes, we will have analysts near other clubs training grounds. Not to watch their traing. Just to capture all the other clubs' analysts breaching the 72 hour rule. Although, this decision should put a stop to that.

Consider the rule having been in place, and then Bielsa popped up to say they'd always done it. Going by this result, Leeds would be:- Deducted a massive of points. But, if the play off result here is followed through, then automatically relegated. Either with matches voided or an automatic 3-0 victory awarded to all opponents. If it's systemic, at what point do you rely on individual clubs coming forward, before determining it was likely all of them, and punish accordingly.

In the semi final, when we were getting lots of corners, I was thinking how great it was we were so good at them, with THB and even Matsuki getting central. Then it dawned on me why that might be.

Nope. That's gone. I don't know if we appeal, they will have to rearrange it. Just to have to go through the process, if nothing else.

Don't know yet if we are going to appeal? Only then will we presumably get all the details. A 4 point deduction as well for next season (that possibly higher, but we cooperated?) So, up there with breaching financial rules, over an extended period. I'm still shocked. Seeing we were guilty even of one game, deemed that we could not be seen to proceed from there. That we played, and won, the second leg became irrelevant. They couldn't retroactively impose a 3-0 defeat. Had it been a league game, that might have been the decision. We don't know all the details yet. One one hand Tonda has led us this far, becoming the in form team of the division. If we lose the/ don't appeal, how much of that squad will go into next season? On the other, this is a mark on the club that is not going away for a very long time. Something that lasts well beyond the manager and the owners. If we hadn't done this, and lost, we'd be looking ahead with some confidence.

Stunned they've reached that decision. Obviously, we're not privvy to the evidence reviewed. Seems completely disproportionate, if it was a one off.

Stunned they've reached that decision. Obviously, we're not privvy to the evidence reviewed. Seems completely disproportionate, if it was a one off.

All player contracts would be terminated. I just hope that those who are blameless, can somehow move on with their lives. The women's team could use the stadium. After they and the stadium rename themselves, to distance themselves from the shame. That's a constructive view. Obviously, the main feeling would be to dismantle the stadium. While salting the earth at Carthage was a myth, we could apply that here. Then leave it as a stark warning to others about fair play. A cautionary relic that clubs like Man City, Chelsea and Leicester can look at it and say thanks that it could never be them.