Frank's cousin

Sometimes you just make it too easy Turks - Usually you are the first to highlight everyone else as a bunch of 'mongs' on an internet 'mongboard' who all take it far toooo seriously - yet here you are 'worried' about it being seen as 'pathetic' and 'embarrasing' - which is it to be? Either its a 'mongboard', in which case how can anythinganything said on here be taken seriously enough to threaten you with embarassment, or IT IS taken serious enough to warrant it? Please make up your mind...

Thnk Linaker is blind - half empy is a bit over an over statement .....

.... the official figure may have ben 29k, but I think quite a few ST holders probably on hols etc.. never remember whether the official figure is ST sales + day sales or just turnstile numbers of actual bodies in the ground - I always thought it was the latter for Health and safety reasons?

Yep Vienna cool -= or Salzberg is really nice

Steady Whitey

And there is nothing in your post I would not agree with - but I do think there are ways of increasing demand and access to a broader sphere of potential support.... but I kinda done that to death

Think if its a nice meal - maybe a nice quiet drink, culture and thenon for some VFTT lurvin - avoid the big Cities and do the small one - Bruge is great for that walk everywhere as well - Stockholms cool, but as is Gothenberg, but seriously perhaps not the best place if Mrs VFTT sort of thinks you starring at every second stuunninng blond is not very gentlemanly. Just got back from a 3 days in Gothenburg and it wa shot and sunny so work was a struggle given the high eye candy count! Berlin too big for the 'quiet' weekend break IMHO as cool a place as it is. Bit further afield is Grenada in Southern Spain - big on Culture and some nice Boutique hotels... etc Prague has those nice wee oldie streets and shops and things, but aggain bit big..

Get what you are saying - but depends on how you want to spin it - do you make the call on lowest gate or on the highest possible for the most attractive games? I know some think expansion is only necessary if we could sell out every game at 40k or whatever, but the flip side is that you judge it on whether you can make more money than is possible now, because you think you may sell 40K + for 40-50% of games (taking into account the cost of the build etc) Or do some woory about how it looks if we only had 30k in a 43k stadium for 9 of the 18 home games? End of day, NC will decide when he thinks there is money in it over the course of a season

True and kind off agree - and its why we scored againsts City, because we broke quickly and in numbers and were 'unpredictable' feck it surprized me! Think many have said that we have the foundations there for a good side, but need to add a bit of sparkle/magic fairy dust etc and become a little smarter in the final third - but guess that is why we were after Ramirez....

Agreed you have but you have also made your comments with good grace and usually in fair and rational way - I am not defending those on the other side of the debate if they try and 'shout down' etc, but having read these fractured threads from the start I am pretty certain about where the shiedt started... just dont get the need for it.

Maybe if you had listened to a few more 'lectures as a child', you might not have turned out to be such a pillock. What is it with you? Comment is one thing, but you dont 'comment', you attempt 'ridicule' - does it make you feel all big and important?

... last week he is 'spot on' this week his survival is back on the agenda... no forgive me, but if we expect the owner/chairman to look for stabilty and long term etc, why is it that fans cant view it the same way? Why is he great one week and for the chop the next? Just odd really

...helmets on as this always seems to get nasty... yawn.... But a quick question to Fry, Turks, etc - we get your point - you have made it as clear as you possibly can, albeit laced with the usual sarcasm etc. You do not believe we have the demand blah blah... but can you expalin why you are SO against others talking about the merits or otherise of it or of ideas or hypothetical situations where it might be an option? You seem determined to try and ridicule anyone who is interested in that topic - Which I assumed was because you were sort of worried that fans of other clubs might think we are all 'mongs' (sic) - something that seems to concern Turks especially (and something most people grow out of when they leave their teens) - You are entitles to your opinion and we all get it rammed down out throats whenever it comes up, but if it upsets you so much when its discussed, why not ignore it? By not it gives teh impression that you are desperate for the attention.....

Ha ha ha - laughing at you already with ridiculous shiete like that. We were incontrol 1st half, not greta but better chnaces and - 2nd we got found out - we learn from it and move on - cant believe anyone cares what others think of us....

NOt a lot to say - poor second half after looking v comfortable in teh first, just not ebnough in final third - we can bang on all we like about formations, but we lost our way 2nd half and bit dissappointing teh heads went down a bit/sluggish etc after going 0-1 down. We created a few chances and on anothjer some those go your way, but defensively still a little suspect and struggled to break down a well organised wigan. It may have been a more defensive side in Wigan than in City last week, but we still seemed to have lost that spark that saw us break swiftly and decisively last week - in numbers... oh well lets get to the Emirates and take the first points there.

Bossed it really without too much in last third - certainly the better side al round but need a bit more creativity in final third.....

ST holders on holiday or long weekend break....

Aye watching on FirstRow, quality a buit pants but at least its live

Where are the nuns?

asking the same thing...

Anyone got any dodgy links?

Fair point - but as I have said on many occasion - 'demand' can be increased if the product represents better value - be it in opposition, our quality, league position and price - whether we end up creating enough in future to regularly attract bigger attendances is surely something that was interesting enough to discuss was it not?

I know you want to start the whole thing all over Turks, but can you not recall all the shiedt whinging about kids and OAPs massive increases etc? also The Northam is not for 'everyone, especially those who dont have the necessary sharp strides and brnaded Polos....

Fair enough point, but you could add that the demand is not there at the current prices?