Ken Tone

I think that bascially the plan is now that they don't even attempt to buy the ground, just the club as such, with their tame property developer buying the ground and renting it to them. Not quite community ownership is it? I wonder how many of the pledgers will not want to cough up their £900 for that.

Think he must be confusing the board room with Fratton Park.

http://www.mobileshop.com/blog/mobile-phone-blogs/the-top-5-urban-myths-around-mobile-phones-are-they-complete-bobbins/ Does this count as cut and paste? Top urban myths about mobiles.

He was offside also by the way, according to Solent

Sorry ..can't agree with this. Did you watch Lallana against Spurs? He was everywhere, tracking runs and making tackles. The problem is Fox being out of position so often, meaning not just Adam, but also Yoshida, have to cover too often , getting drawn out of their own positions.

Schoolboy error you've made there! ---- Pay tax?

I only said 'probably' !

Well Friedel probably won't score at least!

Good to see that BBC radio figures are up. I'd pay the licence fee for the Today programme alone. Maybe the rest of the UK population isn't as thick as I thought! From the 'rajar' release today..... National networks strongRadio 4 is up 8% year on year, and 5Live just under 3%, although it has fallen back from its record breaking final quarter of 2010. The Today programme now has 7.03 million listeners per week - up from 6.44m last year and 6.63m last quarter.

It is even worse than that Danbert. The creditors previous CVA (which btw is not the first ..they've gone bust several times before this remember) had no vote in the latest CVA , which reduced their money. They did not even get the chance to not agree to this further reduction to 0.4 %. The vote was amongst the creditors of the latest administration.

You're missing the point, PES. Those creditors (you know, the ones from the administration before the last one) that are only going to receive 0.4% of their money did NOT agree to any CVA that gave them that little. They agreed to 20p in the pound. They have since been cheated out of even that little bit of their own money because your club still has not paid them one penny of what was promised, and now is proposing to pay them less than half a penny per pound. So a small local business owed say £10,000 for example will get only £40, whilst Appleton is, even now, paying £4000 a week to McLeod, after tax ... that will cost the club around £400,000 a year if you do actually pay the tax this time. God knows what you are paying the likes of Howard. That is why you will have another -10 points deducted -- for breaking CVA promises again -- and that is why we think that is an inadequate punishment for doing so. Because you are still paying wages other clubs in L1 can't afford, and nor can you if you really intend to pay off any of your debts. But all we hear from PFC is whingeing about a small squad and misleading drivel about a small wage bill , and your apparent divine right 'to be competitive'. Any normal business would have been liquidated years ago... don't quote business ethics at us. What you have been doing, and show signs of continuing to do, is morally wrong.

Not if it is integrated into the discussion by parts

You're lucky they offered the course option for being that much over.

As I said ... "most (but not all) police forces allow approx 10% plus 2 mph". I think the logic relates to the historical legal requirement for speedometers to be accurate within 10%. Nowadays they are much more accurate than that, but I don't beileve the law has changed and manufacturers set them up to 10% fast, deliberately, to impress us poor punters by how fast our nice new cars go. ( Don't know where the plus 2 mph comes from -- simply avoiding absurdly trivial prosecutions maybe?) Similary, some police forces offer the option of a speed awareness course and others just insist on a fine and endorsement.

Varies from area to area. Were you actually doing 35-36 mph or was that what your speedometer said? Most, if not all , car speedos read up to 10% fast, though the percentage error can also vary with speed. So if your speedo read 35, you might well only be doing 32 or 33, and most (but not all) police forces allow approx 10% plus 2 mph over the limit before they take action -- ie c35 mph in a 30 mph zone-- so you ought to be ok If, on the other hand, you were actually doing 36 mph as read by your satnav or a 'road angel' device, based on GPS and dead accurate, you are on more dodgy ground.

So are they really brave or just stupid?

It is dangerous to use forums like this as a guide to overall public opinion, but there does seem to be a feeling in England (no idea about N.Ireland or Wales) that we'd quite happily do without the Scots. "Sod 'em then" Seems to me there is a real possibility that the Scots will vote to stay in the union, but that if the rest of the UK were allowed to vote too, they'd be thrown out anyway!

Half a dozen claymores and a 'Glasgow kiss' !

I am still gobsmacked that Hall and the hosts of the website ( Colin Farmery?) were prepared to take such a big risk of being sued. The onus would be on them to prove their allegations , not on Chainrai etc to prove their innocence. These are just ordinary blokes; they could lose their homes if they lost a big court case. Speaking to mutual acquaintances, I gather they seem to believe that if they send their stories to Portpin in advance and seek comment point by point, they are safe. Hence the big list of questions they also publish. The logic is "we asked you if you were a crook. You said 'no comment', so we're safe to publish that you are a crook". Seems a bit dodgy to me. I wouldn't risk my house on that basis! And it is surely telling that media companies with insurance are not prepared to take the risk.

A cherished insttution that is the envy of most civilised countries....except that little part of the universe inhabited by Alpine. Of course it is not perfect, in fact it is flawed, but nonetheless it is a damn sight better than anything else out there.

But a real man like Turkish wouldn't even have gone down apparently.

No , I thoughtthat Warnock ruined his original strong reaction to this assault by saying that Kirkland had gone dpwn like a ton of rocks , implying that he'd made a meal of it. He didn't by the way IMO. He'll be lucky if he doesn't suffer bad whiplash.

I see bloody warnock covered himself in glory again. He just couldn't stop himself could he ... Kirkland 'went down like a ton of bricks ' he says

Reminds of the Jo Caulfield line where she talks of how proud her Scottish husband dis of being Scottish ..how proud of Scotland.. how patriotic etc , how much he loves Scotland, but of course not so fond of Scotland to want to actually live there!

..... and the Orkneys, and the western isles ,and ........ They all historically were separate kingdoms or fiefdoms. There never really has been a united all-Scottish kingdom. The whole idea is a romantic invention of Victorian England ironically.