Ken Tone

If anybody would like to spoil a good argument by looking at some facts, I recommend http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/ Which interestingly says that although 661 of those on board were living inSouthampton , only 19 were born there http://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/place/1/ This seems to give some evidence to support the claims from Liverpool in particular that many of those crew members registered as living here , may have had addresses of convenience near to the port, but really came from elsewhere. The ship was built in Belfast and registered in Liverpool but sailed from Southampton, calling at other ports on the way before the disaster. Does this make it a Southampton community event? My personal view is that this indeed a tragedy ,but just one of very many in our country's history , and since it happened before just about anyone alive now was born, is not a suitable event for a minute's silence at a football game

He states that Chainrai did put money into the club, though there is still a question as to whether his security is valid. This is critical. If the security is not valid , then 'the club is worth what someone will pay for it' makes some sense.v If it is valid, then chainrai can just sit there saying 'not enough' to any prospective buyer who does not offer him as much as he thinks fratton park is worth. So Birch must sort this before he can do a deal.

The trouble is, Adkins is so keen on keeping things secret (and I don't blame him) that we may not be clear for some time. After all, after the last game he laughed and said Lambert would be fit for today. My nerves are getting more frazzled by the minute

Teaching abroad can be good or bad. I know of many who disovered the job was nothing like they thought it would be, or indeed like what was promised. Do your research very thoroughly. Also it is not always easy to get back into mainstream teaching back here after a spell abroad. ..the longer time out of the uk, the harder it gets.

That's the money that is earmarked for Gaydamak isn't it? As someone else has said, you have to feel for genuine fans who are trying to save their club, but to be honest if this is the best hope that Birch has of finding a buyer, then they have no hope. They really are doomed.

I dont think even they can expect to have it both ways. Either they liquidate and contracts become void, but they lose league place --- or they keep league place but have to honour players contracts.

I suspect their plan will be more to pay something like £2.5 million to buy the club, with the rest going towards their ongoing losses. They will not try to buy out Chainrai, but will have to service the interest on his £17 m loan, pay the later stages of a new CVA, and still pay inflated wages for those players whose contracts continue. So I reckon, if they get a new CVA, they'll be fine , and indeed will have maybe as long as .. ermmm ...until October, before they go bust again!

You could even say he was becoming quite ugly inside.

I remember when you could feed a family of 4 for a whole week on a Mars bar. I genuinely can remember when eating a whole Mars bar was a major feat requiring signficant stamina. Now they're less filling or rich than a 1960's Milky Way was.

As said land registry is only the definitve list of recent actual sale rpices . However there are severial indices used or price changes. Eg See http://www.nationwide.co.uk/hpi/ . If you search on that long enough you'll find a regional index for different types of house. This is usually accepted as a reliable measure of how prices have changed. So if that shows less than 3.7% , then you can argue that either the new valtuation is wrong -- or the original one was!

I have never noticed ignorance stopping you from posting, Turkish And interpreting accounts is something that many posters do know something about. This is very good news all round IMO. The debts being converted to equity is fantastic news. Add to this the Saints finance guy saying that £1.4 million of the wages last year were one-off payments, to Pardew etc, so that the underlying wages were more like 80% of turnover (still very high) and that turnover this season is already 70% up on last, and I am a very reassured Saints fan.

I love the way this works with or without the apostrophe!

That is very likely. The deal for Varney (?) with Forest apparently fell down because Forest weren't prepared to commit to buy at the end of the season. I suppose here is a very faint hope that a player might agree to a mutual cancellation of contract if he thinks he will be able to sign for another club on a free. But the big earners won't do that because no other club will pay them as much, so if anyone is prepared to go now it will be a relatively cheap wage earner who is relatively good... who they won't want to lose anyway.

see pedg's excellent updates ,ie The Theoretical Promotion/Champions Thread Something like the 'mind the gap' thread. Aim is to update it after every relevant match. Current Saints points: 78 Current possible maximum for West Ham: 69 + 3 * 8 = 93 Current possible maximum for Reading: 73 + 3 * 7 = 94 Points needed to guarantee winning Championship: 17 (1 + 94 - 78 ) If West Ham beat Reading maximum points will be WH: 93, R: 91 If West Ham and Reading draw max points will be: WH: 91, R: 92 If West Ham lose to Reading max points will be: WH 90, R: 94 Thus beating 91 points will guarantee promotion. Points needed to guarantee promotion: 14 (1 + 91 - 78 ) (in reality our goal difference is probably worth another point but theoretically it is not relevant) Last edited by pedg; 24-03-2012 at 05:01 PM. Reason: updated

Why would saints do this? The current seats are perfectly serviceable, so apart from changing any for a new sponsor, what a waste of money. I mean for that sort of cash you could probably pay Tal Haim's wages for a week!

I'd been going to reply that I knew nothing but was prepared to tell -- but then I read the rest of this thread and realised that many people have in effect beaten me to it.

No idea where to buy roind here , but have turfed a lawn or two in my various homes. As someone else has said, the more preparation you can do the better ...and that is where you will score over a professional, who will not care so much about the long term effect as the immediate satisfied customer one, whereas you presumably will care about how good it will look in a year or two's time. Get the surface soil as flat and fine, and as free of stones, as you can bring yourself to do. My 2 top tips then: 1. Use an old bread knife or similar to trim turfs to size /shape. 2. Use a plank, old floor board or similar, to walk on the bits you've just laid as you work. This will stop you leaving huge footprint holes and also help bed the turfs in evenly. (I'm assuming you don't have a large but relatively light roller)

Bumping this. Ought to be a sticky

Sorry. Don't want to sound like an ITK wannabe, but I don't think I can say any more without putting someone in an awkward position.

Spoke to someone today who met with Birch yesterday. No hint of anything moving on the buyer front.

Exactly. PFC say you can borrow Varney, but insist it is with a pre-arranged deal to buy at the end of the season. They have to do so this because if all their loan players return to the wage bill in the summer they'll be right back where they started, only worse, with no gate receipts coming in. Meanwhile Blackpool say, hang on, why should we commit ourselves to that? There's a sporting chance that all your players will be free agents if you go bust in the summer, so why on earth shoud we promise you a fee now?

It's probably Kanu. They won't have seen him training for quite a while!

You really do know him!!!!

The £20 million loss estimate was net, after taking into account the parachute payments. They are spending way above their means.

A genuine LOL coffee over keyboard moment. thanks