Ken Tone

There would be no logic to such a rule, since the purpose of the parachute payments is to protect relegated clubs from financial meltdown, giving them support in paying ongoing high wages of players signed when in the PL. That applies just as much, if not more if they are relegated again to L1. It would make no sense to abandon a club when it needed the cash even more because its other sources of income went down further still. Of course what is supposed to happen, is that the relegated club uses this grace period to reduce its costs as much as possible in preparation for future break-even, transferring out those high earners that it can, and signing cheaper players etc, but having some money to hang on grimly wit,h if some players insist on seeing out a lucrative contract a la Ben Haim. But as we all know the portsmouth ( and indeed west ham) model is to just spend like there is no tomorrow anyway.

There's a small, and relatively cheap, pay and display car park at the corner of millbank street and prince's street. Doesn't nomally fill up till gone 2 , but if you want to be absolutely certain of a place I'd be there earlier. If you're realy unlucky and it is full , there are several private car parks along millbank road towards the ground mostly charging £5 , or the official Saints one opposite the garage which is mostly for parking season ticket holders but lets in reasonably early 'casuals' for £10. You can't get much closer than that!

He'll be back soon regardless , just with a different user name. The mods just need to look out for a fiver being lost in the post.

Snipped to save space The thing that gets me about "it's not the fans fault", is the one-sided thinking behind it. Of course it is true that most fans had, and have, no influence over the way their club is run, but then that is just as true in good times as it is in bad. By the 'not our fault' reasoning, PFC fans also had no part in their cup win. They can't expect to revel in the glory of a cup win that also 'was not their fault', then just step away from the consequences of buying that cup with a 'not our fault'

Personally I prefer the George Bernarnd Shaw quote: [h=1]“I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.”[/h]

Exactly, but plus 10% of the supposed 'profit' for Redknapp, so in Johnson's case £1.4 million to him, so the real profit is down to £1.6 million. And I think Storrie was getting a percentage too wasn't he? So that's the profit almost disappeared. This on what appears to be a really good bit of business , never mind counting the transfers which made a loss. So in effect the answer to where the money went is, "to the greedy players, and to you and your mates, Redknapp"

Exactly. So personally I fully expect that soon Appleton will decide some of these youngsters have matured suddenly and rapidly, and are now ready for first team action after all

Why do you persist in posting in orange? Against the standard background, it makes your message virtually illegible for most readers

I believe there's club just down the road that is short of few players....

I see the blue few are getting fewer. Tickets for a £1 for kids and £9.50 for an adult, but still they've only sold 14,000, including away fans, for the most important game of their season so far.

They are, but their owners seem happy (for now) to put up with an estimated £20 million loss this season in a desperate attempt to get back to the Premier League. What happens if they don't go up? ....hmmm. Maybe for example the option to buy Henderson will not be taken up?

Have been operating that way for weeks myself. Goebbels Ho's pure bull**** takes too much time. I just read the rest.

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Yep. The only one I got through had typos

Appalling isn't it? This article is supposedly a heart-warming story about a little girl taking her Mum to the match for £1, with a picture of said charming little girl, her Mum, and her disabled sister -- but hang on ..read a bit further ...and disabled little girl has ticket, but disgraceful club haven't even told her whether their crappy facilities will allow her to actually go with Mum and sister. The bit in bold would be a negative 'what a dreadful club' headline story in any other world but Portsmouth' . Still, they did win the family club award, so that's ok.

The article itself, that Allen says is a good read ..... "What is Pompey's biggest problem? The prospect of relegation to League One? No at all. Quite simply it is Portpin and their claimed £17m debt. Fans keep on saying that someone ought to strike a deal with Balram Chainrai to repay his debt over a long period, as Antonov and CSI agreed to do. No businessman with any sense is going to do this though. Here is why: ..blah ..blah.. blah.. Portpin has no money in Portsmouth FC. " ..... completely ignores the charge on the ground that Portpin hold. It doesn't matter how they got where they are. The bottom line is somebody has to give Chainrai £17 million (or if they're really lucky, merely a significant proportion of £17million) , or he takes the ground, and presumably sells it as a building site.

Well that will really bring down the wage bill! Meanwhile rumours about Ings signing for them persist.

I've been thinking about what Birch said on Solent on Saturday when asked who owned the ground if the club was liquidated, he answered along the lines that he did as administrator but would then have to sell for what he could get, to give Chainrai as much as possible of his £17 million 'charge'. The Solent guy let it go, seeming to take this as reassurance that Chainrai would not take the ground. However surely if Chainrai thinks the ground is worth money to redevelop as housing or a Tesco's, he can take it, unless he is given his full £17million? eg Unknown weirdo and/or pompey trust etc, offers £2million for Fratton Park to Birch as liquidator. Chainrai then 'offers' a higher bid of £3million. Birch is forced to accept this better offer. Chainrai passes £3million to Birch, who then passes it on to ... Chainrai. Result - Chainrai has spent no real cash but does now actually own the ground rather than a debt secured on the ground. This applies all the way up to £17 million, or until Chainrai decides that whatever lesser figure that has been offered is better than he'd make by re-developing the ground for other uses. (There really wouldn't be a long term problem over planning for other uses, whatever Goebbels Ho ands his mates say about covenants etc. There is no covenant, and city council local plans etc would be easily overturned once the football club goes.) If I've got this right, then liquidation will mean losing Fratton unless someone raises quite a bit of money to pay off Chainrai.

So the reductons were already in place all last week? And still they've only sold about 10,000 home tickets!

Fair point -- as long as any propsective buyer doesn't look too close!

Lol I just don't follow Birch's reasoning in reducing tickets to £9.50. It's going to **** off season ticket holders and those who have paid full price, which might be worthwhile if it meant theyd really 'pack the park'. But surely any decent PFC fan (I know, I know ...) would already be going to this game whether it costs £9.50 or £25. It's pretty much the most important game of the season so far for them. Are they going to refund the difference to those who have already paid more? Even if not, £9.50 will hardly cover the costs of stewarding and extra police etc. .. oh and errm cleaning the toilets.

Think it is luck of the draw. Picked up extra tickets bought on my season ticket after the tuesday night game, armed with ID ,visa card etc, but in the end only had to give the order reference number and answer 'yes' to 'Are you Mr Tone?

What the hell does 'paid for by club partners' mean? If it means a sponsor, then that money could have been used for something else anyway in the club.

He shows a fine grasp of football finances. I doubt any member of' the smallest squad in the league' (tm PFC ltd 2011) is on less than £5 a week, and of course Ben Haim is on nearly £150k a month