Trying to, its a little bit sad that a group of people, who generally support the same objective, can't discuss matters in a civil way. You wouldn't talk like that to strangers face to face, so not sure why folk see it as accepatble on a message board. The moment you descend to abuse you lose the argument. Funny that this place is a breeze when we are winning.
I repeat: abuse, personal spats and trolling will be dealt with.