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From what I recall, I think two of mine may actually have been of some use

Shouldn't at such a sad and serious mess but that comment works

Oops. So an executive did this recently despite stating they were co-operating with the Police?

It spreads upwards

Ah the idea of MLT in his prime playing in the NpC, what fun he could have. But in the context of adding to our current side. how about Psycho as cover at Left Back? Maybe Shilts on the bench or would it be Niemi in his prime? Terry Paine at his best as cover for AOC? Mark Wright or Dave Watson as the CB cover? Or Ron Davies up front as cover for RL? Hmmm maybe I got that round the wrong way, perhaps anyone of those with the current occupant as the cover. Hmm that would be sweet

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Thing is VW it wasn't an OPINION. It was a QUESTION stated as me being a cynic. The question simply came into my mind during the TV interview on Sky with Murdoch Junior. That interview was actually very informative and gave me some information I was not previously aware of when posting on the thread before. 1) Everything in this past week or so since BTW started this post relates to events between 8 and 4 years ago 2) In January News Int themselves sent all the 11,000 odd pages of information to the Police 3) Murdoch himself said " In 2006, the police focused their investigations on two men. Both went to jail. But the News of the World and News International failed to get to the bottom of repeated wrongdoing that occurred without conscience or legitimate purpose. Wrongdoers turned a good newsroom bad and this was not fully understood or adequately pursued. As a result, the News of the World and News International wrongly maintained that these issues were confined to one reporter. We now have voluntarily given evidence to the police that I believe will prove that this was untrue and those who acted wrongly will have to face the consequences. This was not the only fault. The paper made statements to Parliament without being in the full possession of the facts. This was wrong. The Company paid out-of-court settlements approved by me. I now know that I did not have a complete picture when I did so. This was wrong and is a matter of serious regret. Currently, there are two major and ongoing police investigations. We are cooperating fully and actively with both. You know that it was News International who voluntarily brought evidence that led to opening Operation Weeting and Operation Elveden. This full cooperation will continue until the Police’s work is done". Now in the same manner as my previous, the Cynic in me asks another question. Is this all the result of an attempted cover-up and the throwing of one Journo to the wolves 5 years ago? If it wasn't a failed cover up then Nowt must have been almost comically lacking in Financial & Managerial Oversight and SOX type processes "IF" by Murdoch's own admission THEY didn't know what was going on..... (Sorry an MNC not knowing what is going on - they are AMERICAN, post Enron they MUST have compliant processes by LAW. Something went wrong in those investigations back in 2006 - they admit it. Back then the story was also damaging but did not have the emotive "Horror" of the new revelations. Oh, and Nowt gave the documents to the Police in January (Murdoch in his Sky Interview) (The cynic in me and many others asks why did it take SO long to carry out that investigation? Why January? Were News Corp afraid back then that something could leak and hurt the BSB takeover? Did that affect the date?) I will stand by my contention that Corporate America have Disaster Management Teams. News Corp state they placed Corporate Compliance specialists into the mess. Sure my "for cost cutting measures" may well be wide of the mark - it WAS a QUESTION, but the concept that at the core of this mess, News Corp has tried to manage all of this is something that HAS been admitted in Murdoch's defence of Brooks. The Guardian has published "Revelations". Well maybe that shifted the playing field and screwed their plans over. But then the cynic in me asks - How did the Guardian get that information? A leak from Nowt? Or from the Police? Hugh Grant had some things to say about "The Press" that should raise an eyebrow as to how that information was leaked. Now, what does a cynic make of THAT? This is a horrific mess and a lot of the story is still to come. Cameron goes Horse Riding with Brooks... Labour are reorted on the Telegraph "Nowt Live page" to employ EX Nowt staff from back in the days. Lots and lots of tangled webs and allegations all over the press.

Think a lot depends on the formation that NA uses. His 4-2-3-1 style (with RL dropping back) meant most often that MS was playing the DM type role with Hammond or Chaplow (both of which were "supposed" to be labelled as box to box midfielders). Now we have a CM (Cork) who is also a CB cover, that to me spells - useful DM who may be able to tackle cleanly. Will this mean we now play 4-1-3-1-1 or 4-1-2-3? Will MS now have the freedom to play further up the pitch and use his passing skills to unlock defences instead of "long raking passes" out of defence (that often went wrong annoyong some fans) It's an interesting signing and will be interesting to watch the shape we line up in the friendlies for any hints of the season to come. Heck, maybe we might even play 4-4-2 again getting RL more into the box than last year

Whatever. FFS I wasn't posting a fact I typed But the cynic in me (and in some on the News Channels) starts to question even this. I posted that I question this and many other things that may come up. Other bloggers and analysts are asking similar questions. So just for once, I will reply directly. I am entitled by the forum rules to post my opinion and thoughts and you are entitled to question them although not in an unpleasant manner. I posted some links to others thinking the same way you haven't so for once I'll respond - Go feck yourself.

And a great many of those people were taken on by Nowt AFTER the crimes were committed between 2003 & 2007 more Innocent victims of this scandal. My sympathies to your mates and their families, (but hated the paper)

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK-News/News-Of-The-World-Closes-Sky-News-Jon-Craig-Predicts-Sunday-Sun-After-Newspapers-Shock-Closure/Article/201107116026277?lpos=UK_News_Carousel_Region_3&lid=ARTICLE_16026277_News_Of_The_World_Closes%3A_Sky_News_Jon_Craig_Predicts_Sunday_Sun_After_Newspapers_Shock_Closure http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/phone-hacking/8623905/News-of-the-World-to-close-on-Sunday-Twitter-reaction.html Yeah Gemmel I type drivel mate. Oh yeah another one http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/8623870/News-of-the-World-how-soon-before-Sun-on-Sunday-rises.html

Yes Nick, but as Patred said, at the time we were on -10 in L1 and we got a very highly rated NpC player to join us, who went on to become our player of the season. Have you HONESTLY forgotten what those days felt like? We had only just survived as a club by a mixture of luck and timing and we sign a very good Championship player. Jeez, not that long before hand we where so broke we were playing Kids.... Who cared whether anyone else was "in for him"? that was for me the sign that maybe there really was some hope we could actually get out of that mess.

Watch the JM interview on the Sky Link. NI were not reacting to events - they instigated them from the files they passed to the Police...... But then the Guardian came along and control of events left NI - think that's a better explanation.

However, if you listen to the James Murdoch Interview on Sky News, he actual says words to the effect that "Rebekha was in charge of a full scale internal investigation which led the NOWT themselves to pass documents and information to the Police on a whole raft of this matter" The actual words he uses are on the video link currently in the centre of the Sky News website. So on that basis they told the Police everything.......... http://news.sky.com/skynews/ Because IF they haven't then after THAT interview News Corp really WILL be in the sh1t

PMSL - anyone got Androids phone number from down the road?....

I spent 13 years working for Corporate America. Watching James Murdoch's interview and his very careful way of avoiding the Rebekha Brooks question about 4 times and then listening to the Deputy Editor of the Nowt (sad story for him and my sympathies). Obviously it is a far fetched idea, but it came from watching a good couple of hours of Sky this evening, what I learnt from my time and from those hours are 1) This story is changing and breaking SO fast that the News Channels cannot keep up - they answer one thing and two more have broken 2) A lot of innocent people have had their lives damaged, now at that paper as well as the victims. It wasn't a conspiracy theory, just me being cynical. Let's face it in theory (as some have also commented) it could lead to something really massive like Cameron having to go or maybe very senior Police Officers at the Met. None of us could know. All I DO know is that News Corp are a US Corporate fighting a major battle to stave off a "Disaster". They have whole teams of people that are trained how to do this from lawyers to Spin Doctors. Nowt staff call the closure of the paper cynical. Of course it was closed - it was hurting the NI brand. One thing I think is very clear - there is a lot more to come and it is likely to take a great many twists. And once again, How the hell could something that happened between 2003 & 2007 and was supposed to have been investigated, people jailed and be "all over" have suddenly exploded again?

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Cracking signing. Young, improving player with a PL future ahead of him and he chooses to join US. Says a lot about how we are perceived, but it also says a great deal about the forward vision we have. Type of signing I had hoped we would make, well done to everyone for pulling it off. Think the tag-line "buy a player better than we already have" is shown up very well here. In a side note, also nice to upset Eddie Howe. Looking at it for this season, Oscar Gobern or Jack Cork.... Very happy about this tonight, Get In!

Why thankyou, appreciate the support.

Phew, that's lucky then. Poopey should be able to fill that vacant position for head of Corporate Communications & Media Management at long last. Some experienced people now available with great CV's up in Wapping, of course, only a select few would have the right credentials & experience for the job.

OK so the Nowt has gone. But all this happened between 2003 & 2007. A couple of patsies got jailed. News Corp is rolling out the "we installed new Corporate Compliance Processes" line. But the cynic in me (and in some on the News Channels) starts to question even this. Nowt - profitable but falling numbers of readers, The Sun doesn't do Sundays. Would cost a fortune to close Nowt with huge rows politics & costs in order to make Sun 7 days AND CUT COSTS. Out of nowhere a simple solution occurs, the NEW hires at Nowt get scarred for life and fired and nobody will care by shutting them down in the cause of reader trust, leaving the stage clear to open the Sun on Sunday and make MORE proifts with lower overheads. All News Corp needs to do is to instigate a few leaks, cook up a cunning plan with the CEO of Nowt and bingo... The Guardian falls for the trap and does all the dirty work for them. At the same time managing to harm Cameron (wonder what he did to upset Murdoch?) Oh and some Cops will get jail terms.. Wonder what they did to upset..... Coulson could be in trouble for possible Perjury in a Court case in Scotland..... And through all this the CEO keeps their job. I'd think all the above was utter tripe except for that last piece. But then ouch Tories bite back and dealy the BSB takeover until at least September.. The gist of what the Nowt Journos were saying today about news Corp being cynical. This one's gonna get to run for quite a while.... Oh and on the Sun sub editors walk out - Sky News just now - they walked out, went to the Pub where the Nowt guys were but most were now back at work & the Paper isn't affected tomorrow...

Blimey, better take up Sudoku then it may help... Perhaps you only remember them due to the way they posted but I think a very large number of us were unhappy about him and his selections, and nocturnal activities

Is our squad as it stands good enough to survive in the NpC? Yes without a doubt Is the squad strong enough to cope with injuries and survive in the NpC? Hmm maybe needs some re-inforcements Is the squad good enough to get Playoffs or even promotion? Yes they can put in a good run but likely not strong enough So IMHO we need two or three players - BUT if we are to progress then they MUST be better than those we already have. So what do we actually NEED? Cover for Rickie? Why buy cover IF we get to the PL we need to sign someone BETTER than Rickie that can play at the next level. CMS Sharp? Hmm Cover out wide, so we need someone better than AL & AOC - oh yeah that's easy. Why on earth would we want an NpC level player? we only intend to be here a maximum of 3 years so why buy a player who cannot make the step up. CM cover? Buy someone better than Hammond or Chaplow - well that may be possible, but better than Morgan? The point is we spent many years buying squad players (Look at Wolves they have 44 players FFS) Buying a has been from the PL at silly wages just to get us out of this league? Why. Come September with the Fair Play & PL Squad rules there will be a lot of almost PL ready players to take on loan, some may not even need wages paying (Bellamy last year as eg) Or better to go out and find some younger players who fit into a team dynamic and who can develop this season into the players we need when we get promoted. One thing is sure, this TEAM could actually outperform it's component parts and get us promoted, but it would need a lot of surgery IF we got up this year AND a lot of money. better to buy players who can develop and make that step up rather than FM press touted can do a job at this level. So, where do you find THOSE?

Yep. So why (about a year or more ago) did the Met Police decide NOT to proceed with their investigation into Phone Hacking? Someone somewhere REALLY needs to re-visit THAT decision. And now (as others have said) how can it be right that the organisation tasked with investigating has been alleged to have received payments from "The Accused" How can "The Public" have confidence as to what level those payments reached. Is the Investigating Officer or his Supervisor someone who benefitted?

Bit blinkered there, seeing only the end result. Of course "Society is outraged" that is not in doubt. But the fact is that NOTW appears to have carried out this hacking for a considerable time. It also appears to have had no moral standards in the depths that it would sink to (how on earth can the people concerned SLEEP at night?). But, the point is that those people at NOTW did this for a reason. There was a MARKET for the information that they found. That market was the people who bought their papers every week. NOTW did not do this for their own puropses, they did this (possibly) at the beginning because many people in the UK WANT to read about the dirt on celebrities. It just then got out of control by the looks of things. There are vast swathes of the UK's media devoted to telling a demanding audience what their "Celebs" are up to, from NOTW through to Hello Magazine. The media outlet that finds the Scoop on a celeb gets to make money because the Public wants to read about it. So you are saying that the reaction shows up the good side - yes it does. But it would be totally hypocritical to not understand HOW this came about. And that was because the readers demand "gossip" and that the extreme elements of the Press developed (wrong & immoral & uncontrolled) methods of getting that "News". In NOTW's instance they have gone WAY too far and beyond the boundaries of Humanity not just standards. No the readers did not want the NOTW to hack murder Victims phones, but that was an unintentional side effect that some demented idiots thought was the way to give the Readers what they wanted. Nobody will be able to change the current Media reader psyche for wanting to know where Jennifer Aniston's latest zit is, but people went way too far in how they found that out and then went even further. Going too far beyond the bounds of sense legaility and reason is a new trait in UK, some people simply think rules or logic don't apply to them. This week it is the NOTW Journos. In the recent past in other areas it was senior people in Banking.