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Stupid, crazy guesswork. Pretty good table though :

He must be fossilised then. He sounds like something out of the 1890s

Good post. There is plenty of fertile ground to attack Corbyn's policies. Impugning his patriotism or pretending he thought Bin Laden's death was a tragedy just diminishes respect fro the Tories, and i say that as a floating voter.

That explains the tan

No, I doubt many floating voters read the Express or Mail. Its still corrosive though. Every time I see my mum she's worrying about some made up piece of crap about Labour seizing her home or stealing her pension. It would be funny if it weren't true, for her and millions of older people who get their news from printed media. If editorial had to abide by the same standards adverts do most of it would never get printed.

You are drawing equivalence between what a back bench MP said as (bad) joke in 2010 (and apologised for) and what the current PM states at a party conference as fact about the opposition leader? I think I can see what the problem is.

But there is a huge difference between what Independent, Guardian, Telegraph and Times write - which is mostly facts with a party colour wash on them and what the Sun, Mail, Express and Mirror write - which is usually deliberate attempts to distort the news and push a particular agenda.

Sure, but most of the selective, misleading, biased rags lean right. FWIW I have no problem with anyone's views if they know why they believe what they believe and the opinion is grounded in fact. Its those whose views are based on myths or informed solely by carp printed in an agenda driven propaganda piece that irritate me. Whatever you think of his politics Corbyn clearly doesn't hate Britain and for a serving Prime Minister to claim that about the Leader of the Opposition shows how low the level of politics has sunk imo. If the system was working properly he would be severely censured by his party / Parliament for that. The same trick was played against Michael Foot.

While walking down the street one day an MP is tragically hit by a truck and dies. His soul arrives in heaven and is met by St. Peter at the entrance. 'Welcome to heaven,' says St. Peter. 'Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a high official around these parts, you see, so we're not sure what to do with you.' 'No problem, just let me in,' says the man. 'Well, I'd like to, but I have orders from higher up. What we'll do is have you spend one day in hell and one in heaven. Then you can choose where to spend eternity.' 'Really, I've made up my mind. I want to be in heaven,' says the MP. 'I'm sorry, but we have our rules.' And with that, St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a green golf course. In the distance is a clubhouse and standing in front of it are all his friends and other politicians who had worked with him. Everyone is very happy and in evening dress. They run to greet him, shake his hand, and reminisce about the good times they had while getting rich at the expense of the people. They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster, caviar and champagne. Also present is the devil, who really is a very friendly & nice guy who has a good time dancing and telling jokes. They are having such a good time that before he realizes it, it is time to go. Everyone gives him a hearty farewell and waves while the elevator rises.... The elevator goes up, up, up and the door reopens on heaven where St. Peter is waiting for him. 'Now it's time to visit heaven.' So, 24 hours pass with the MP joining a group of contented souls moving from cloud to cloud, playing the harp and singing. They have a good time and, before he realizes it, the 24 hours have gone by and St. Peter returns. ' Well, then, you've spent a day in hell and another in heaven. Now choose your eternity.' The MP reflects for a minute, then he answers: 'Well, I would never have said it before, I mean heaven has been delightful, but I think I would be better off in hell.' So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down to hell. Now the doors of the elevator open and he's in the middle of a barren land covered with waste and garbage. He sees all his friends, dressed in rags, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags as more trash falls from above. The devil comes over to him and puts his arm around his shoulder. 'I don't understand,' stammers the MP. 'Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and clubhouse, and we ate lobster and caviar, drank champagne, and danced and had a great time. Now there's just a wasteland full of garbage and my friends look miserable. What happened?' The devil looks at him, smiles and says, "Yesterday, we were campaigning.. ... Today, you voted."

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Totally - way too many archaic Americanisms they dont really use anymore and too many Britishisms the Americans would never have heard of.

Whose readers then absorb it without question. Politics used to be about persuading people of your vision, not lying to them and peddling fear.

Paul Gambaccini has a book out about his time under suspicion of sex offences. I haven't read it but did hear a very emotional and angry interview on the radio last week. He says the police never even questioned him about the allegations, they simply kept on very publicly extending his bail always tied to dates when they had bad news to hide about the Savile investigation. He says he was simply used as a diversion tactic to draw attention away from the Savile failings. No idea if this is true or not obviously.

overpriced

Gun violence in America in 17 charts http://www.vox.com/2015/8/24/9183525/gun-violence-statistics

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Murano is where they make hand blown glass. Go see it being made here and then buy her something special. http://www.massimilianoschiavon.com/index.aspx?lang=en http://seguso.com/experience/

Not really, extrapolation maybe. Ive worked in statutory funding of the NHS and council services and now work in fundraising for a charity. If you ran public services based on where people wanted their money to go you'd end up with dozens of unneeded children's hospices, a National Trust which was one of the biggest employers in Britain and streets which were full of homeless beggars because nobody wanted their cash to go to social services, mental health or social housing.

That's okay then. Trousers gives £10pm to the RSPB and RNLI. No need for A&E or schools in sink estates.

Well done. Entry 1,007 in the 'Reasons Why I Shouldn't Have to Help Other People' handbook - somebody else should do it. You thought about moving to China?

Its an old saying, but its true only for people who vote based on self interest. I used to be really right wing when I was younger -lapped up what I was told about workshy scroungers, striking lefties in factories. Now with friends in senior corporate management positions and work contacts which include the great and the good and the very rich the world looks different. People want to tell themselves that what they have is because they worked harder than others who were mostly feckless and lazy. By and large its not true, luck in year of birth, education and in parents determines it.

Excellent. happy and improving. I hope Holland make it through. ECs aren't the same without them.

It does, I really like the writing style. Was surprised to see he's still a student so kudos to him

Anti worker too. If the companies had to pay tax its well known they would leave Britain and everyone would be unemployed. Germany's corporate tax rate is 30% and another 20% tax for employing every worker. Thats why they have no industry.

'The living wage is idiotic. Nurseries will be forced to close" http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?54583-Budget&p=2211765#post2211765