Matthew Le God

Saints would very likely been mathematically safe BEFORE the Charlton game. Yes, you look at the points the teams in the relegation zone can get, however that doesn't take into account the large number of teams between Saints and them. Those teams would have to play each other in the remaining games and so impossible for them all to overtake Saints.

Would an internet thread count as evidence in a court of law?

HMRC may not be the only ones that take issue with just 30% and a block may still happen.

Their administrator has admitted they are selling everyone and they will return all loan players. They are likely to have a new manager and coaching staff along with further points deductions. The administrator said next season will likely have a squad full of free transfers and youth players. The best free transfers won't go to Pompey but instead to other Championship clubs so they will be scrapping the barrel of the free transfers no-one else wants. Any European campaign with a squad like they will have won't last long so it doesn't really matter if in Europe or not. (In any case none of that matters because they won't be allowed in Europe anyway)

I've not been impressed with him so far. Passing is poor, first touch is poor, positioning is very poor and he miss times his jump for a lot of headers and when he does win a header he heads it aimlessly without thinking where it will end up. Jose Fonte has an increased work load covering for Seaborne's mistakes. We are lucky Fonte is so awesome he does the job of two centre backs.

And play with 10 men?

No. One Pompey fan showing his/her true colours.

There wasn't in the last thread either.

I agree with everything Arizona just said in post 79. Neither he or I said anything negative about either man and have both said he is worthy of respect and remembrance. I'm sorry for Sloggers loss but fail to see how anyone has given him a "personal insult" as described in this thread.

As your posts contain so many spelling and grammatical errors it is hard to tell. I don't see why someone would say they prayed when they didn't.

At no point in this thread have I said they aren't. I just said save it until All Saints day. That is still them getting the respect they deserve. Many people have very worth while professions and are of great benefit to the community. You have to draw a line somewhere or you'd be endlessly remembering the dead at sporting events.

So your God kills someone and you pray to your God that it isn't the person you know and is instead someone else dead? What % success rate have you had on your prayers over your life?

Just because Liverpool and Everton do something doesn't mean you have to follow blindly like sheep. The two fireman will get recognition on All Saints day and their own remembrance services which have the sole function of providing an outlet for grief and gratitude towards these public servants.

Instead you resorted to wishing someone dead. Making you the callous and heartless individual you accuse him of being does it not?

Wishing Arizona dead makes you the callous and heartless individual you accuse him of being does it not? Arizona was only saying that if you commemorate everyone that dies in the city you'd have an endless stream of remembrance at sporting events. He wasn't being callous or heartless he was just putting things in perspective rather than being over sensitive and jumping on a bandwagon. An annual collective remembrance is the most sensible policy and is still just as respectful.

What does it achieve then?

I'm not saying we shouldn't pay tribute at the football. Just do it once a year on All Saints day. If you really want to do it near to the event of their death then go to the remembrance service along with the friends and family of the dead. A minutes silence doesn't actually achieve anything and is ultimately a pointless act that achieves nothing. You can't show respect to the dead, they are dead. What is gained from applauding someone that isn't alive? It is a futile act that is ultimately pointless. Yes, that may sound cold and heartless but that doesn't make something less true. If you want to show respect to Southampton's emergency services then do it to those still alive and actually make a difference. Donate to the lifeboat charity etc.

But then it is just your opinion that the opposite is needed. The same can be said of everything on an internet forum, just personal opinion. However I have outlined why I believe there is already rememberance services that provide the function that you are asking for without imposing it on a sporting event on a frequent basis. I'm not saying these men don't deserve respect, just that there are other events that provide that function and there is no need to overlap events that have the same function and impose themselves on people that are indifferent to the event. Millions die around the world and the UK every year but I'm sure you only truly care if the person is family or friend.

People choose to go to a remembrance service to remember people, that is its function. It is not the function of a football match to provide a grieving service to the thousands of people that die in the UK each year. There are outlets to remember these people IF you choose to do so, thus no need to "force" hollow remembrance upon 20,000 that are not there for that purpose every week at a sporting event. An annual remembrance at St Mary's is all that is needed.

To mention FM is bizarre, petty and irrelevant. You don't need a game of football to remember someone. People go to a football match for football. People go to remembrance services for remembrance. If you want to remember these people there is ample opportunity to go to a service or pay private tribute in the city. There is no need to combine the two unless the person that died is significant to the club, everyone else can be given respect on the All Saints day.

I refer you to the post above. Post 18.

No such thing as a FA Cup semi final replay. It is decided on the day.

If you mourn everyone that dies with a minutes silence to give respect where do you draw the line? We'd end up having a minute's silence every week. As I said earlier, leave it to family and friends to mourn, not "force" a minutes upon 20,000 who didn't know the individuals. Just feels hollow otherwise. This is why the current system of remembrance of all on one day is the best idea.

**Warning Controversial View** What is the point of giving anyone a minutes silence? What does it achieve? Especially someone you didn't know. Just a hollow gesture by the needlessly sentimental. Yes, I appreciate the work the fireman do in the city, but leave it to their family and friends to mourn.

Don't take my word for it... It is common practice for the price to be set before the loan has started. There would have been a hefty loan fee, % of wages and a pre-determined fee to make it permanent should Saints decide to take it up. For the purposes of Football Manager 2010, I guessed this fee to be around £500k but that was a pure guess on my part. Probably slightly too high in hindsight. http://www.saintsfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10280~1785065,00.html