Matthew Le God

It is not me failing to grasp a concept. A manager selling a player doesn't not mean he thinks he couldn't do a good job at that level. Saints are selling Puncheon and Mills, they both played in the Championship last season and did well. By selling them it doesn't mean Adkins doesn't think they can do a job in the Championship. Just that he has other plans for his squad.

That still doesn't prove Warnock doesn't think Gorkss is good enough for the Premier League.

Stop with the ill-informed crap then. You were using something against Gorkss, when it was simply ********.

His promotion with Blackpool was from League One to the Championship, and in any case he wasn't deemed "not good enough for Blackpool in the Championship", he played for a season at Blackpool in the Championship and then they sold him to a bigger Championship club.

One manager - Warnock. Also doesn't necessarily mean Warnock doesn't think he is good enough, just he has other priorities for his squad.

Puncheon has been heavily linked to the Gorkss deal in the past. I would say discussing his merits is relevant to this thread as there is still a possibility his Saints future may be linked directly or indirectly to any deal for Gorkss.

Look back at every post I have made in this thread (including the first), and you will see they are all on topic with the posts they follow.

What would you say it is then?

All three were competing for the same positions. The wide midfielder roles in a 442. Puncheon lost out because Lallana and Chamberlain are better in the role, a role which is Puncheon's natural position.

So you would drop one of the highest rated English prospects from third tier matches, in order to play Puncheon? As I said earlier, I think Puncheon is a good player, I just think Lallana and Chamberlain are much better. If it were Chamberlain or Lallana on loan at Millwall and Blackpool last season, I think you would have seen even more impressive performances from them at that the respective levels compared Puncheon.

If Puncheon can make a mark in the Premier League, do you not think Lallana could? Lallana is clearly the better player of the two. The quality of Chamberlain and Lallana was the main reason Puncheon was loaned out. His alleged unprofessionalism is likely to have been a result of having to play second fiddle to a talented 17 year old and not able to start games in the third tier.

So which of Chamberlain or Lallana would you have dropped to a League One substitute bench in order to accommodate Puncheon in the starting eleven? I'm not saying Puncheon is a bad player, he clearly isn't. But Chamberlain and Lallana are both better, I'm surprised you think otherwise.

If Puncheon can do reasonably well in the Premier League, do you not think Lallana and Chamberlain could? After all, they were the ones keeping Puncheon out of the Saints team. Cork has already shown he can do well in the Premier League in a brief time there. I think Schneiderlin and Fonte would also do well.

Because he said... "we don't appear to be looking further than promotion this time around" Keeping Chamberlain, Fonte and Schneiderlin at the club, signing Lallana on a new long term contract and signing Jack Cork, all indicate looking long term towards a possible Premier League future. Keeping your best players can be just as important as signing new ones.

Cork, Schneiderlin, Lallana, Chamberlain and Fonte all have a good chance of playing in the Premier League in the future. That is five players to get started with...

How have you managed to switch this around? It was you that claimed Jemal was the "only player on Saints radar", not me. I haven't a clue who Saints are trying to buy, have on any shortlist/radar etc etc. You however implied that you do.

"Expecting" and "definitely said that there would definitely be another signing before the Leeds game", are two very different things. You made a statement, "At the time Jemal was the only player on Saints radar". A fan not being aware of a clubs transfer activity, does not mean he is the only player on the clubs radar.

No he didn't. If he did I'd like you to show me where he did, because I think you have just made that up. Secondly how do you know "Jemal was the only player on Saints radar"? I think that is extremely unlikely.

SaintsRichmond, why are you ignoring the question put to you about the point you made... When did Adkins say this about Jemal?

Will they? They have run out of parachute money this season, selling off high earners and relying on the kids to plug gaps. A bit like Saints in 2007/8 and 2008/09 and we all know what happened then...

He is 29 years old. Peak years for a footballer.

When did Adkins say Jemal is a "deal that has been done"?

Tonight's game wasn't a first team match.

Jack Stephens is currently in Denmark with the under 18's.

No Jason McCarthy. James McCarthy is an international that has a good amount of Premier League experience, he isn't going to be playing as a trialist for Saints development side.