Whitey Grandad

That's what I mean, you can compare the ticket stubs with the amount of clicks. The clicks are quicker though. There used to be a 'scam' at some grounds where you could clip the gatekeeper a note and he'd let you climb over (allegedly).

We all hand over a bit of paper at the turnstiles, both ST and individual purchases. Somebody could count those?

a) Things got worse in Lowe's last couple of years YES, obviously b) Things improved under Wilde's tenure NO mood improved but results average c) Things improved under Crouch's short Tenure YES slightly but from a low base d) Things have got better since Lowe has come back NO definitely not

That's how I see it. The Easter programme has traditionally been a time when relegation and promotion issues are decided.

Showing 16p at the moment. What does that vaule us at?

So 'Beware the Ides of March' (15th, to save us looking it up again). That is going to be a difficult decision then since we won't be definitely down at that time. (sarcastic smiley thing)

Yes, I have been toying with various results and I've tweaked it a bit further. Above 4th from bottom it's pretty tight so I think we're 'safe' until then. It looks like the away game with Blackpool is crucial, then. Win that and we should be safe for another week. Derby 38 -2 53 Notts For 40 -6 53 Crystal Pal 38 7 52 Coventry 39 -2 52 Plymouth 40 -8 52 Swansea 40 6 51 Norwich 40 -3 51 Watford 39 -4 51 Barnsley 38 -7 51 Blackpool 40 -10 51 Sheff Wed 40 -12 48 Charlton 39 -18 39 Saints 39 -28 28

Perhaps they'll have you back? It's worth a try.

21st March is a possibility. Coventry p 39 gd -3 pts 50 Sheff Wed 40 -12 48 Charlton 39 -18 39 Saints 39 -28 28

Ta for that. Easter Monday would suit me, I'll be cruising around the Canaries then. It means I'm wasting my season tickets but I've been doing that all season and I can't bear to watch a loved one fade away.

So, Saturday evening then . Surely, in theory, if we lose every game from now on (unlikely, I know, but humour me) and all the other results go against us in the worst possible way there will be a date on which we can all relax and accept the inevitable?

On a lighter note.... has anybody worked out the earliest date by which we can be mathematically relegated?

I think we know now, don't we?

I wasn't as negative with JP as Wotte. I suppose you could call that 'more positive'

Csdajfu ?

Anything that we don't know already?

Saints 1 - Preston 1 A good spirited performance but still not what we need. I think that the players will be feeling the willy-jips by this stage and won't be playing free-flowing, confident exciting football. The instant we're mathematically relegated it'll all come back to them.

According to some on here, Lowe's biggest mistake was being born.

And if it's less than a point a game you must be really, really crap.

But his appearance is not a pre-condition for us to be abysmal.

There was nothing 'iffy' in '76,. unless you're a Man U supporter, that is It was a brilliantly timed run and a well-placed shot inside the far post. Luck had absolutely nothing to do with it. And what was unlucky about Pele tugging a shirt in the penalty area?

When we might have had Liverpool, Manchester United, Chelsea away, although I very much doubt that we would have got through to play all three of those. To argue that our 'fortunate draw' played no part in our reaching the final is blinkered in the extreme.

But had we been drawn away to any of a long list of clubs that we could name I doubt that we would have reached the final. When Watford came out of the 'bag' I couldn't believe our 'luck'.

Because we had 'the luck of the draw', something that you cannot influence by tactics or training.

I think that's why I find our situation so depressing.