Whitey Grandad

The Times gives every player a rating out of ten after every game. This morning every England player was given a rating of.... A big fat zero.

It's where we are after two years that matters. I can't see us anywhere other than somewhere between where we are now and 10 to 15% lower.

Watching that was like pulling teeth.

I thought there were rules about that. Which paper is it?

It's dawned on me tonight what has gone wrong in all this business. People voted for what they didn't want but nobody has a clue what they did want.

Any one member can veto it as could we, had we stayed.

Took the penalty well but apart from that.... pants.

Injured. But even with both legs in plaster he couldn't have done any worse.

I would hang on for the end of season party but I'm always busy at Christmas.

If only Ron had waiting instead of rushing off to Everton

And all those international weekends. We used to play much better when the internationals were midweek.

Free? He was on £3m a year!

The scripted bit was generic. And would have been the same for any outcome. The difference was in the way he read it.

If only he'd done that two weeks ago.

Why blame Wishere he wasn't playing tonight. Was he?

He seems to have taken it quite well, all things considered.

What bargaining cards do you think we have? We can't threaten to walk out because we already have.

Wow! That's about the same as Mané.

And if the EU don't offer enough then the only way to stop the time bomb is to hold off activating Article 50. It's the only leverage that we have. So much for 'taking back control '.

Because he was so out of touch with the country that he thought he could NOT lose. If he had run a more positive campaign he should have won but let's be clear about this, without Boris he would have survived. They were too busy pushing their personal to care about the welfare of the nation.

I shall miss the first game. Will it be worth turning up for any more?

How does that compare with other clubs? Not many players hang around too long anywhere these days. Frequent changes of manager don't help.

We must have dropped from 5th largest to 6th largest economy by now?

And get rid of Scotland completely?

I agree. This whole debacle has its epicentre in the Conservative Party and John Major warned them about it decades ago saying that it would split the party just as badly as the rift over the Corn Laws. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/winner-by-a-short-head-john-major-held-his-ground-on-europe-but-bigger-hurdles-lie-ahead-by-donald-1556759.html http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/the-corn-laws-divided-the-tories-for-25-years-today-they-are-just-as-split-on-europe-1314279.html Labour must also take their share of the blame for not putting the case for their beliefs across effectively. If they can't do such a simple thing properly then what chance do they have of getting elected? If only Milliband hadn't been such a drip. I'm very disillusioned with all of them at the moment. I'm beginning to regret the result of the election last year.