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I've seen your edit and hold my hands up to that, I was mis-remembering because I thought the officer(s) in the Floyd case were charged with Manslaughter, not murder. Even so, the Floyd case was used by BLM to highlight excessive police violence towards black minorities and it sparked widespread protests about police brutality and bias in the justice system (as black people are six times more likely to be killed by on-duty officers in the US than white people are). The majority of those protests were overall peaceful in nature, but many were also blighted by large numbers of people using them as an excuse for violent clashes with the police, and it's those ones that made all the headlines. Let's assume that the likely reason for Kirk's shooting turns out to be correct and the shooting was politically motivated by an unhinged individual. Who would any subsequent protests be aimed at? You can't protest against institutional injustice when we're talking about an individual acting on his own. And let's face it, the American right aren't going to go marching in the streets and starting riots to demand stronger gun control laws to ensure that it never happens again, are they. In Kirk's own words, these incidents are an unfortunate necessity to maintain the second amendment. So they would be protesting against the killing of a man they all agreed with by fundamentally disagreeing with him.

Because we still don't know who killed Kirk and why, so there is nothing for that public to direct their anger towards yet. Surely you can see that?

The second sentence sums it up nicely. The Floyd case wasn't murder as it wasn't pre-meditated. You seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge that distinction. It's obvious, given your posting history, that you are trying to compare the situations in order to show that the reaction from the right is more restrained than that of the left and thus give you the moral high ground. But the two scenarios are in no way alike.

George Floyd was an ordinary citizen, albeit with a lengthy criminal record, who was summarily executed by an over-zealous (at best) police officer. Charlie Kirk was a prominent conservative activist who was assassinated by an as yet unidentified gunman for as yet unknown reasons. How are the two situations even remotely comparable?

I've often wondered if it would be possible to change it so that if the 3rd place team finishes let's say at least 10 points ahead of the team in 4th then they should go up automatically, and the playoffs only become a thing if it's closer than that. It would make it fairer, but I expect the EFL wouldn't want to lose out on the money spinner of the playoffs so I doubt they would consider it.

Video of suspect fleeing the rooftop released... https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/sep/12/charlie-kirk-shooting-new-video-of-suspect-released-by-fbi-asamid-urgent-appeal-for-help-from-the-public

Plenty of rosehip around this time of year if not.

Sorry, what? Since when has being against fascism been considered far left? And have you considered the possibility that this 'evidence' could have been planted?

I don't know anything about the political opinions of the members of the Qatari security forces that were killed, and neither do you.

Amazing that you know the political stance of the shooter when he hasn't even been found yet.

True, but the only reason the shooter was able to do what they did is because of the utterly fucked up gun laws in the US, of which Kirk was a strong advocate. It's tragic what's happened, and shouldn't happen in any sane society. But US culture is so fucked that these events have become normalised, and Kirk himself was quoted as saying that they are an unfortunate necessity in order to protect the 2nd amendment. And anyway, it's pretty hypocritical of you to accuse others of crass comments when only yesterday you were wildly celebrating the Israeli airstrike on Doha in which innocent Qataris were killed.

Live by the sword gun, die by the sword gun. It's awful what's happened, but as someone else has pointed out, the only real surprise here is that this hasn't happened more often, given the pro-gun rhetoric and the deeply polarised politics. What a fucked up country.

There's clearly a blurred line between coming from an Islamic family and being an actual believer/ practicing Muslim, if that is the distinction being made here. An old friend of mine was in a similar position in that she had an obviously Islamic name, but had completely turned her back on that way of life when she was quite young and was disowned by her father as a result. But I also know one or two people who don't practice, but still consider themselves to be Muslim anyway as it is more a label of their ethnicity than their religious beliefs. Just as being of Jewish ethnicity doesn't necessarily equate to being a practicing Jew. So any confusion around this is perhaps understandable. I'd imagine that many of those killed in Gaza also sit somewhere within these blurred lines.

Looks like Finn is playing in more of a 10 role as well...

Or they might not have, while they were debating whether or not to accept the terms of the cease fire agreement. In which case this action has probably all but signed a death warrant for the remaining hostages. Either way, breaking all international laws and bombing a country they're not at war with to eliminate people meeting to discuss a cease fire is not a great look, wouldn't you agree?

They are both perfectly capable players at this level and played a part in our last promotion. It's far from a disaster if either of them ends up on the pitch at any point this season.

Really? The few remaining tickets that went to members must have been snapped up instantly then, because when I logged on that morning to get one it had already sold out.

Yes, and I expect many of them did expect to get arrested and in some cases probably even wanted it to happen, to highlight the ridiculous waste of police time and resources. Arresting 900 people for doing nothing but holding up a banner or wearing a T shirt is complete overkill and not sustainable, and this action is intended to force the gov into a rethink of its decision to proscribe PA as terrorists when they are nothing of the sort. It was a knee-jerk response to them embarrassing the MOD. "When injustice becomes law, resistance becomes duty" - Thomas Jefferson.

They are peacefully protesting against Israel's actions in Gaza AND against the government's absurd decision to proscribe PA as a terrorist organisation. Surely you get that?

Anyone got any idea if this is likely to go to members after season ticket holder sales? It's a long trip up north on a Tuesday night, with away trips to Hull, Liverpool and Derby surrounding it, so I'm hoping demand will be sufficiently low for me to get one.

Oh great. I might get the chance to make use of that box of Armenian flags I bought 🤞

I think you might have been watching a different Ryan Manning from me then. Because what you have described above doesn't correlate with what I've seen. So far he's had one good game - as a sub against Wrexham. The rest of the time he's been mostly underwhelming, free kicks aside. As for your last sentence - just no. I never want to see him playing LB in a four because he's simply not good enough defensively and leaves us badly exposed time and time again with poor positioning and a rank inability to prevent crosses into our box. And I absolutely do not want to see us play with 3 CBs against Pompey, because it leaves us wide open in midfield and that's the last thing we need in a highly charged derby game.

4-0 now.

Just watching Plymouth v Stockport (my nephew is playing for County) and Caleb Watts is playing AM for Plymouth, having moved from Exeter this summer. Edit: and has just scored a belter to put them 2-0 up.