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Which is what you expect defenders to do, yes?

Of course there was. You are talking about fractions of seconds here, he gets to that ball 0.2 seconds earlier and makes a clean tackle, Gaston goes over his leg but he wins the ball cleanly and its a great tackle, not a foul.

You seem to be implying that Wes brown deliberately set out to foul and hurt Ramirez. Do you genuinely believe this to be the case with the game in the balance, gaston through on goal and any slight mistime of the tackle would be a straight red and either a penalty or a free kick in a dangerous position?

Yes but if they are both in Europe and qualify for the champions league only one would be able to enter.

This explains the kit then, I always said it was a master stroke which appealed to the Asian market.

I had a different name then. Who could forget Um Pahars and his valiant attempts to be our fan on the board.

According to Lovrens facebook page the leg is fine and he'll be back soon.

So he has something in common with his predecessor then.

Dull drums/Batman.

Lee Catermole was his usual outstanding self.

Glasgow Saint.

Some people who remember your glory days c2007 might not agree with that.

So ex international players don't know what they're on about yet a load of posters on a mongboard who have likely never played the game at any decent level do, glad we cleared that up.

I'd be amazed if Ramirez isn't a break or ligament damage, looked really bad from the photo. Just when he was starting to look the part too.

That's why we have the transfer committee, so exactly that doesn't happen.

Wolves, Sheffield United would be the obvious two. Decent grounds, decent fan bases, with a bit of money could easily be premier league clubs and have been. Maybe Coventry too although not sure of their ground situation.

When you say 'had the backbone to keep hold if Shaw' what do you mean? We don't know that there were any bids, all we've heard is that there is a young player playing premier league football and was happy to stay put here, it's very convenient to believe he was only here because of 'the vision' bit in truth we don't know if his determination to keep him was down to the fact we didn't have any bids or the player simply wants to play football and establish himself here. To be blunt, the only time that this backbone has been tested was when arsenal came knocking for AOC, remind me what happened there. That's not to take anything away from the job he did, which was excellent but the what we don't know is if this 'backbone' was ever truly tested.

Most people I know who go to games didn't care. He was the chairman, a suit in the stands, it's only from behind people's keyboards he appears to have become some god like figure who is irreplaceable.

Don't forget a reduced legal bill and out of court settlements. Higher staff retention so fewer agency/headhunter fees and garden leave payments, probably nearer £4m, the wages of a couple of marque signings from Serie A.

The exodus has started.

Having spoken to several former employees he certainly has those traits.

Maybe he resigned because he didn't want to be answerable to anyone?

Maybe that is true maybe that is not, only they know. There have also been reports that governance is all she wanted. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/nicola-cortese-chose-to-leave-southampton-and-was-not-forced-out-insist-club-9065638.html

Reading between the hysterical reaction on here and in the media, the doomsday scenarios being predicted by some and the abuse given to Katrina Liebherr for wanting to be involved in the company she owns there is one point that people seem to be ignoring. It seems that all Katrina Liebherr was wanting to do was introduce some form of corporate governance in the company she owned wholey so that Cortese wasn't just answerable to himself. Isnt this standard practice in most businesses? It's a very dangerous positon to be in when one employee has the total and unquestionable control of a business. You have to ask the question as to why Cortese was prepared to walk away from a job he was doing very well, indeed in a lot of peoples eyes he could do no wrong, a very large salary mid way through his "vision" for simply being asked to be accountable to the person who owned the company and who was ultimately his boss.

Those corporate boxes will be jam packed with local businessmen taking advantage of the clubs excellent hospitality. Sherry and cigars at full time, 4-4-2, into the mixer, a big lump up front and Luke cattermole the midfield general. This is how football should be.