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Well this has gone well, 3 players in the England squad one has shocker and two get injured.

Didn't do himsel justice sadly.

I said this a while ago, I watch a lot of Chilean football and mentioned a few of them before on several HCDAJFU threads, of course everyone sneered.

We do and have since our l1 days.

Most of the team do, chile are a very good side to be fair, great on the ball. Think Lallana has done okay though.

Lallana shown some decent touches, Jay seen hardly any of the ball.

You've got at least £150m worth of players on that list there, he was doing something right. It was other areas he wasn't so good at.

Jay looks scared to death :-(

I wasn't one of them. http://www.saintsweb.co.uk/showthread.php?39192-James-Ward-Prowse#.UoZ7ybIgGSM

Where did you hear this Jamie?

Not sure a out loan but be gave an interview in the summer saying he wasn't happy to sit on the bench and would fight for his first team place. It's worked, he's gone up a level this season,

When Luke Shaw and JWP get their inevitable call ups and Walcott and Chamberlain are fit that will be 5 saints academy players playing for England and another the worlds most expensive player, not bad I guess.

Rodriguez brother tweeted he is starting, Jay that is, not his brother.

It's actually not, it's an interesting discussion about pace v skill before Obsessed Strawlock came along with his sneering comments.

I'm not wrong at all. Robben and Ribery are good player not because they are quick, they are good players because as well as being quick they can dribble, shoot, cross, track back, cut inside, go outside. They are quality players AND they have pace. Bale and Ronaldo arent wingers, they both drift all over the place. The fact is that the top teams dont play with "pacy widemen" anymore. They may have wide players that are quick but they can do the lot like Robben and Ribery can, or drift like Ronaldo and Bale do. Like you said Chelseas EARLY success was based around wingers crossing into Drogba, 10 years ago. WHo are their pacy widemen now? WHat happened to Moses ad Malouda? They use Hazard, Mata and Oscar, are they pacy widemen? What about Man City, are Nasri and Silva conisdered pacy wingers? And i'm fully aware football is cyclinical, five years ago we were told that the future of football would be tall, muscular players who were athletes, then Barcelona became the best team in the world playing with smaller, nimble players who were skillfull with great touch, vision and movement and all of a sudden everyone wanted to play like that, 10 years ago 4-4-2 was all the rage, managers were lamblasted for daring to only play one striker especially at home, then the Spanish and Germans started playing between the lines showing it up for an outdated system and it was decided that one up top and 3 attacking midfielders was actually the best way to go. You may not like it but right now the pacy wideman like, a Micheal Antonio type, that you seem to be championing is a thing of the past, it doesn't mean pace isn't important but people have started to realise over the last 5 years or so that ability to actually control, pass and move with the football is far more effective than just pace.

good spot!

You're telling me that penalty against Chelsea wasn't a debatable decison?!!! Yes they would be, if we'd had 4 pens go against us in 11 games and 3 of them were 50/50 and one was blantently not a penalty then the referees and everyone else would be being lamblasted by people on here. YOu can be sure Pochetino wouldn't be labelled the new Ian Holloway or a whinger looking for excuses because his team are underachieving!

Would you now. I disagree, they aren't slow by any means, in fact they are fairly quick, but they aren't players like Aaron Lennon, Theo Walcott and so on whose main attritube and what you associate them with is pace. THey are very clever and skillful players who have an end product so it's their craft and guile that make them the players they are as well as being quick, they dont fit the tag of the "pacy wideman" which was the orginal point i was making and the type of player that is so often demanded on here and England teams seem to love. A 1990's type wideman in a 4-4-2 who will sprint to the byline and get crosses into the mixer for the big lump of a centre forward, pace but little else. Inital thoughts on Zaha from what i've seen so far is that he is another one like this, maybe he'll come good but i've seen nothing to suggest that he has anywhere near the attributes of Ribery and Robben. None of the top teams play with these sort of player anymore.

we are a massive game these days Stevey.

Football has changed since Giggs prime when it was 4-4-2, would you say he was a pacy wide man now? You wouldnt' describe Bale or Ronaldo as a "pacy wide man" in the traditional winger sense, both of them tend to roam wherever they want to in free roles now. Theo is on record as saying he'd rather play up front than on out wide. I wouldn't say Ribery or Robben, great players they are, are renowned for their pace, would you? Indeed, the club you support doesn't play with any pacy wingers, maybe our style is behind the times too?? So other than being inaccurate about every player you've mentioned and dismissing your own clubs formation and tactics your post was excellent.

not sure why they've put them up for sale like that as we probably wont take more than 1500. looking forward to it though.

So just to confirm, all that stuff spouted on here from about 6 months months ago and previous to that about Roy Hodgson and the FA ignoring Saints players and only selecting players from the big clubs was a load of bol*ocks then?

You can be sure that if we had had 4 debatable penalties given against us in 11 games you lot would be demanding answers from the FA too.