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Such as?

That too and blood suckers and parasites, thinking the world owes them all something.

thats because most young people are utter cretins. Look at the ones that populate this site. Supermikey the lazy Uni drop out whose hobbies include eating. Bowers the failed McDonalds worker who falls on his fat arse doing a simple 50 yard sprint and now battling for his future in a call centre as he desperately tries to be the James Cordon of the office. SaintAndy666, a know it all with an encyclopedic knowledge and experience of everything despite barely being out of nappies. From the Mcjobber to the Uni drop out to the Oxford student, it's pretty decent cross section of Yoof we have on here and it aint pretty.

See that's more like it, it's easy this isn't it!!! I would have given Hart a 7, he made a couple of errors and the red mist seems to descend every time the ball gets played in behind his centre halves, it cost Man City and Chelsea and could have cost England, that said he did make a couple of decent saves and was probably Englands best player. However Englands worst player was Walker, Caught out of position so many times, gave the ball away cheaply on numerous occasions. Marked him two higher than i would. Wasn't impressed with Smalling and to be honest this is the case for all Englands centre backs, Cahill, Jagiklea are okay, Smalling and Jones are not ready yet. I disagree with some of the people on here and think Jones will eventually become a very good player but he's a 21 year old lad still finding his way in the game. I'd like to see Micheal Dawson given a go in the next friendly as at the moment think he is better than both of those two at the moment. Oh for the days when we could pick from Terry, Ferdinand, Woodgate & King! Lallana was good and efficient without being spectacular, kept the ball well and grew into the game again. I'd have given him a 6. Townsend, fans love him because he has that all important quality of being a pacey wide man, however when you actually look at his performance he runs at pace in straight lines, the better defences will work him out, either show him out wide or inside where he will run into trouble. the thing that struck me most was the difference between the two teams. The Germans were playing quick one and two touch football, pass and movement, kept it simple and broke at pace whereas England players were individuals wanting to be the star man. Townsend taking everyone on, Rooney trying the difficult thing when a simple ball was on, Barkley trying step over after step over, Gerrard shooting wildly from 40yards when a simple sideways pass was on, Struridge poor touch and again trying the difficult when the simple was an option. What i'm really struggling with is why you were so incensed by his report and marks when he actually didn't see it that much different to either of us.He gave Smalling and Cleverly the joint lowest mark and we both agree that they were poor, he marked Walker & Hart a point or two higher than we would and Lallana one lower. Other than him marking Lallana slightly lower than we would have thus lunping him in with the players that were poor i cant see how his report makes him such a terrible pundit you claim he is. it's not like he was claiming Smalling, Walker and Cleverly were great and Lallana and hart were awful was it.

No pal, you're misunderstanding what i'm saying. Your thread title was "Pundit worse than Lawrenson" and then knocked his report and marks. IMO this was a fairly accurate reflection of the players performance, give or take a point here or there, so i asked you, quite politely, what i was missing and what had he said that was so wrong, you can see this in post 2 of this thread. You could have chosen to answer and explain your post, given your rational for deciding the pundit was worse than Lawrenson and what he had said to lead you to this opinion, perhaps even given your marks, which would have clearly and concisely not only answered my question but given credence to your view. Instead you have got on your high horse, throwing your toys about,wailing and screaming and stropping that you "literally cant be arsed with this" and that you are being shouted down. it's not my fault you can back up your statements with any valid opinions pal. Dont worry though, its symptomatic of the spoilt brat mentality that permeates this forum. ,

Why do so many people get their knickers in a twist over football pundits and journalists? Who cares what Mark friggin Lawrenson says or that a BBC reporter gave Lallana one point less than he was worth. Seriously, some of you clowns need to get a grip.

"Pundit worse than Lawrenson?" So what did you mean by that? That Lawrenson is the best pundit to ever talk about soccerball and this guy is second only to him, or did you mean something else?

You dont have to see someone play in the first team to realise they aren't good enough when you work with them everyday.

Ahh okay, he's the worst pundit in history because your rating of Lallana and his were a bit different, I get it now.

I do like Carl Froch, good boxer and a decent bloke, unlucky the jokers and frauds in the heavy weight division. He'll win it around the 8th

Good to see Broad giving it to the Aussies after the slating he's been getting. Looking forward to watching Mitchell Johnson crack again.

Thought it would be the flashbacks of when Sturomseysaint tried to score with you.

Sorry, can't really see too much wrong with any of what he's said. What am I missing?

I disagree with this, his form has been good but I still think he is the weakest link in our defence. For us to be where the club say we want to be then we will need to improve on him. It's a shame as I like him and he's been with us since L1, but I don't think he's a top half premier league player. Good back up though.

This is a rehash of an old story, he was linked with a move to Turkey in the summer. Can't see him moving on, although IMO we will be looking to sign another centre back to replace him soon.

Positives Return to 4-4-2 A pacy wideman playing Negatives No big man up top We fannied about with it too much, need to get it forward early Two mincer centre halves Lack of aggression in midfield, we were crying out for a midfield hardman to rough 'em up a bit Good to see Roy using a formation that suits us but now need to stop putting square pegs in round holes and play the system how it's meant to be.

Don't tell me. He's been playing golf in Dubai and you two spent Sunday night drinking flaming zambuca and he told you how much he loved saints, offered you a season ticket at marseille when we play there in the champions league and you spent the whole night singing the Rickie Lambert song?

What a top bloke! Talks so much sense, really knows his stuff doesn't he!

You've actually called it right for once Colin. Our attacking play is laughable. Look at the Germans, quick passing, good movement, they know where each other are, how many times did you see a German player take more than 5 or 6 touches? They make it look So easy by keeping it easy. Whereas we have Rooney, Townsend and Barkley trying to take everyone on and do the spectacular. Gerrard playing 60 yard cross field passes or shooting from 40 yards and Sturridge who needs 3 attempts to control it properly. We've got a collection of individuals who all think they are superstars playing for us,

Popular at last Colin!

Is following a game on a mongboard the new following a game on teletext?

We are all watching it too Colin

The problem you've got it most of the divs that inhabit twitter and mongboards don't appreciate good touch, technique and pass and movement. They like a pacy wideman, getting it fooooooooooooorward, players that can run with it regardless of what they actually do with the ball, headless chickens that are class because they're fast.

He got a throw off Rooney :-) Gerrard is a ***** sometimes, a cheat a volley at goal surrounded by players 30 yards out, how did he ever think that'd go in. Typical Hollywood football from him.

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