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From a mod your repsonse is emabrassing Jimmy. Like conversations do the thread has moved on from the OP to a wider debate. I think you need to read the entire thread before jumping to conclusions and making accusations fella, there has been some good debate on here about football yet you've turned it into a pop on me, you couldn't help yourself could you. Read the thread before tapping away angrily and accusing people of being negative about Saints. I have not made one single negative or sarcastic comment against Saints on this thread. And By the way i dont see what is so scandalous and offensive to you about saying that the league champions who finsihed 48 points above might have better players than us.

I just asked 10 locals and only one of them had heard of Morgan Schniderlin.

Okay lets try it another way. OUR. BEST. PLAYERS. ARE. NOT. AS. GOOD. AS. THEIR. BEST. PLAYERS. OUR. WORST. PLAYERS. ARE. NOT. AS. GOOD. AS THEIR. WORST. PLAYERs. Jesus. who'd have thought it could so difficult trying to explain why Manchester UNited are better than us.

Go and ask 10 neutrals who they think is the better player, MOrgan Schniderlin or Michael Carrrick. I would bet at least 8 of them would say Carrick, yet here the majority would say Schniderlin. That is Saints bias. We finished 48 points behind them because their best players are better than our best players and our less players are not as good as their lesser players. It really is quite simple.

NO im not, im getting bored with repeating myself so i'll say it slowly for you. OUR.BEST.PLAYERS. ARE. SQUAD. PLAYER. LEVEL. AT. MANCHESTER. UNITED. Got it?

Well yes and consistancy is what makes a good player a great one. We've all see league one players play like demons in one off games against premier league sides, it doens't mean they are going to do it week in week out in the premier league. The difference between us and them as i've said several times is that our best players would be squad players at Man United and Man City and their best players are a class above ours. There really is no point comparing their best players with our worst.

I think you might be getting confused as again it reinforces my point that our best players are about the same level as their lesser players and squad players though doesn't it.

Well obviously if you want to be pedantic about it if our 5 starters were all terrible and theirs were world class and our 6 starters who were better were only slightly better then the points gap would be smaller. The fact is the gap was 48 points, the gap between us and them was more points than we picked up the whole season, so that suggests to me that most if not all of their player are better than ours.

surely that just reinforces my point that our best players are at best equivilents of their lesser players? I deliberately didn't mention the ones you said as comparing Hooliveld and Yoshida with Ferdinand and Vidic is completely pointless, although the players i did mention are a lot closer in terms of ability.

Undoubtedly much higher, but If you asked any neutral who was the better player man for man then there would only be one winner for pretty much every position. We see Saints players week in week out and make excuses for them (except for Guly and Fox) we see Man United players on telly in the gold fish bowl that is playing for them where every mistake is highlighted and analysed again and again. What would people have made of Shaws error for the goal at Wigan for example? Or Lallanas powder puff shooting? Ramirez lack fitness and poor dead ball delivery if they were Man United players? It would be highlighted over and over again with the growing percention that Lallana for example couldn't finish his dinner. Its very rare that a poor player players for a club like Man United and those that are dont last long. Look back over time and see how many of our star players have gone onto bigger things and really made a name for themselves. in my lifetime the only two you could really say have pushed on are Shearer and Bale. Even the likes of Walcott is widely percieved to be an average top half premier league player these days, whilst the likes of Beattie & Bridge disapeared off the radar. The reality is that the very best players at Saints apart from the odd exception are squad players for the big clubs.

Back in the early 00s he was excellent. Although the two best central defenders this country has produced in the last decade, Jonathan Woodgate and Ledley King, are both made of glass so never had the impact they could have.

Carrick is an excellent footballer, a rare breed in this country in that he retains posession and can actually pass the ball without attempting superstar passes like some of our players do. If he'd not been English he'd have loads of international caps. IMO should have been a regualar fixture in our national side.

it was in 1897 you utter lemon.

they usually do though, as Man United did both times we played last season.

The fact of the matter is though that a lot of our fans are biased and blindly deluded. I'm not having a go at Garrett here but to use him as an example he has openly admitted that he doesn't rate Frank Lampard and suggested he wouldnt get into our side, yet this is a guy who has been one of the best midfielders in a generation and scored over a goal every two games last season from midfield, if that isn't looking at it football with Saints tinted glasses on i dont know waht is. I would wager that a lot of people on here would argue that 5 or 6 Saints players are better than their Man United counterparts in that position. I would bet that some people here would argue that Boruc is better than De Gea, Shaw than Evra, Clyne than Rafal, Cork and Schniderlin than Carrick and Anderson, Lallana than Cleverly and Ramirez than Nani or Valencia. The proof is in the pudding, forget one off games where we give them a run for their money, Manchester United won the league and finished 48 points ahead of us last season, that would not happen if half of our team was better than theirs.

he didn't mention that of them were in the 1800's though. I'm sure he'll go on about tradition and changing names is not a recent thing etc.

and 3 of them were in the first 12 years, only one of them since 1897.

One of our original names was as Southampton St Mary's so if we were to change our name to Southampton Saints then it would be a fantastic return to our roots and honouring our history.

Fair enough. I wouldn't go that far personally. In this generation id say Gerrard and Scholes were better, in my lifetime I'd put Gasgoine, Robson ahead of him too. Is put him as the fifth best in the last 25 years or so, which still makes him an exceptional player.

Fair enough. I wouldn't go that far personally. In this generation id say Gerrard and Scholes were better, in my lifetime I'd put Gasgoine, Robson ahead of him too. Is put him as the fifth best in the last 25 years or so, which still makes him an exceptional player.

G15 for the amount of minutes he's contracted to play isn't it?

I'm surprised there wasn't a thread on the Man U forum asking of their midfield was as good as southamptons

Schniderlin was playing in the most watched league in the world and was statistically reported widely as one of the top performing midfield players in Europe. Yes I'm sure no one outside of SO postcodes has ever heard of him.

We weren't safe until the penultimate weekend of the season yet our midfield is better than two of the top 3 according to some on here.

So if our midfield is better than Man Uniteds and WBAs and Liverpools in better than ours then where does that leave Man Us midfield? The reigning champions must have a midfield almost as bad as Chelsea's!