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How do you know i am frothing at the mouth? I'm actually chuckling to myself at the narrow mindedness on here and the leaping to accuse people of all sorts of things if they dont confirm to the mainstream view, it's hilarious, as is the hypocrisy.

I actually think you're a little bit mental.

Ignoring the usual sneering nature of your posts, of which you seem incapable of avoiding when making them, i dont see why it is so difficult for people to understand. If it was natural for men to raise children together then surely they'd be able to produce one. I know that doesn't fit most of your Pc, liberal thinking and i am sure you'll make your usual idiotic sneering reponse but the logic when applied to facts of nature are unarguable.

very good company, i've used them a few times myself. They are probably the best around.

go into IT sales mate, you military type tend to do quite well and with your knowledge already you'll laughing.

But given your stance of liberalism you should be applauding the actions of the EDL for voicing their beliefs. What they are doesn't matter, what matters is they are making use of their freedom to express their views. You may not agree with what they say, but in a liberal world they should be praised for standing up for their beliefs. Gay activists are, transexuals are, in a liberal society we should cast aside our own views and prejudices and commend these people for making their voices heard. * * JUst to be clear, not saying i agee or support this view point, or it is what i would or should do, it's what liberals should do.

not very liberal to stigmatise someone for standing up for what they believe in is it.

I've not said i support the EDL. If i do anyway what does it matter? I am allowed to without being stigmatised, you all believe in freedom of speech, do you not?

I am not defending them, i am defending their right to march and to have an opinion and a voice. Where have i defended their actions? Where have i defended their violence? Show me. you wont be able to because i wouldn't and haven't. Given the society that you want, liberal, live and let live, freedom of speech, they are entitled to, correct? And my point about "it not being natural" is correct. Two men cannot produce a baby together, they aren't meant to by nature, right or wrong? so how can it be natural for them to raise one?

hmmm, so fat fingers and an Iphone made you type one word when you meant to type a few lines did it?

Where? I've not "held the fort" i've simply said that given the society that you want with freedom of speech they are entitled to thier view. Right or wrong? Show me where i have said i support them or agree with them, do this and i will aplogise, you wont be able to though.

because i replied before you edited it, which simply said racist. obviously edited realising you'd made yourself look s bit of lemon.

eh?? Clearly you need a lesson in logic. Show me any evidence of this. Typical of this board jumping to conclusions without reading the facts.

Ridiculous comment, show me where i have said i support the EDL, other than saying, quite correctly, in this society they are entitled to their view.

I am not defending them. You dont seem to be reading my posts properly, read them again. Never once have i said "good on them, take to the streets and smash up a few immigrants while you are at it" Check my posts, i've neither condemned nor condoned them in these posts. It is typical of this board that if you dont outwardly agree with the majority and are not against something the forum superstars are against then you must be for it. I was accused of homophobia because i didn't agree with Elton John adopting a child, now i am being accussed of defending the EDL because i haven't said i dont support them or agree with them. As i said above, i am not particularly interested in what they do, i dont care much for them and are as relevant to me as the student protests. I am not a student so am not currently bothered if they have to pay fees or not, apply the same logic and you'll get my views on the EDL. However like it or not they are entitled to a view given the society we live in, which you lot wanted. Freedom of speech and expression. I am simply making the point that they are entitled to march and have their views as much as any other group in the country. You lot believe this, you lot believe in live and let live, you all said so on this thread. yet when it's something you dont agree with, those morals dont seem to apply.

Not jailed for anything relating to EDL marches though were they though. Come on, find someone jailed for violence carried out at EDL marches.

See the other thread for that repsonse. Claiming i am getting angry and high blood pressure is way off the mark, i am actually pi*sing myself laughing at yours and everyone elses hypocrasy.

Why say the attacks on families in Leciester then? Why not saying throwing a fire extinguisher into a crowd from the top of a building? Why condemn the EDL violence when the student violence was much worse yet you haven't mentioned it? I am incapable of engaging in a sensible discussion yet you keep coming back for more. I've got you thinking haven't I. The Students take to the streets there was violence, the UAF take to the streets there was violence, the industrial unions have taken to the streets in the past there was violence and the EDL take to the streets and there is violence, all have a right to express their views, all have resulted in violence, yet you chose to only condemn one group. Why? They are as entitled to their view as much as anyone.

I think you'll find i said above violence is violence, regardless of who carries it out, so making no diffenciation between the actions of the two groups. So please, stop trying to insuniate that my arguement has some sort of racist undertone to it when i am simply saying that given the fact that you all believe in freedom of speech and live and let live then EDL have as much right to take to the streets as anyone else.

I think if Jamie told a girl with Laboutains shoe desires to get herself down to ASDA for some clobber he'd be looking down the barrell of another failed relationship.

Self generated fantasies? Really? Check your facts before you condemn you utter clown. Oh you dont do you, because you can have a pop at me because i dont fit in with your "liberal" belief systems. http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-122217507.html

I wouldn't know, i am not especially interested in what the EDL do. However the level of violence between the two groups is massively different. I cant ever remember a member of the EDL being jailed for 3 (?) years because of the violent actions in a protest, can you?

Does that include the tiger that is Mr D?

It's quite a simple concept to grasp. Many of you profess to be liberal and are all for freedom of speech, yet at the same time are condeming the EDL for voicing their beliefs. You all claim they are a violent group that intimidate but i was called an idiot for stating the fact that the student protests were far more violent. It seems many of you are liberal only when it suits and freedom of speech is only allowed if it is what you believe in. Liberal? I'd say hyprocrites is more appropriate.

Violence is violence, yet somehow you seem to justify it when its the students or a group that fit into your agenda, yet condemn it when it's one that doesn't. Surely it's the same thing, regardless of who does it?