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I know. That's the point.

I'm sure you'd love if I was. As you know I consider your views to normally be personal in nature and lacking in substance so they are easy to not take too seriously. Go ahead and post what you like.

Absolutely fine to think this doesn't matter. Just as long as you can accept that for some people this speaks to a wider lack of trust within the Labour Party and a further example of terrible judgement. For some people this will be the straw that broke the camels back and some people are now calling for Starmer to go. That's not an extremist view that can only be reached by being brainwashed by the mail or social media.

As always.I don't need unsolicited advice from you thanks.

Is your assertion that you want Labour in charge because everyone else is even worse? Hardly a ringing endorsement.

Eh? Other than when that happened I don't recall ever posting about that. I believe I even said it was likely to be a Russian psyop. I haven't endlessly posted that at all. I have said consistently I want Labour to be a success so that the country succeeds, the problem is that other than foreign policy where they haven't done badly if you ignore Chagos, they've failed almost every time. I didn't have high hopes for labour but they've been a lot worse than I expected them to be. Like I said I disagree with them ideologically. I'd suggest that you are rather unbalanced in the opposite direction (you are of course an intelligent chap yourself clearly.)

It's pretty tiring when you say that every time. Is someone not able to read what happened and form their own opinion without being unduly influenced by commentators? You've even got labour supporters on here saying Starmer should go. Are they only saying that because commentators have told them to?

No. The times journos mentioned it this morning. Like I said though, even if you disagree it's definitely up there as one of the worst scandals that coukd result in the PM resigning. To suggest it isn't is downplaying things imo.

Quite a few commentators have considered it the worst since profumo. Even if not the worst it's up there. I honestly think you are downplaying the significance.

What level of friendship is acceptable when the friend is a paedophile?

I agree it is the worst. Don't agree that there hasn't been significant downplaying though. I have more respect for those who think the Tories were absolutely terrible but can hold their hands up and say that this labour government have been on the whole absolutely fucking shit as well. They have been, everyone I know who voted for them regrets it and thinks they have been crap.

I never claimed you said Mandelson and Starmer were not in the wrong. What I'm saying is that there has been a great many other things they have been wrong about that some posters are loathe to mention-preferring instead to bring up the Conservatives and particularly Boris Johnson and Trump. You can look at earlier pages for plenty of examples where clear fuck ups and errors have been downplayed which wouldn't have been the case whilst the Tories were in power.

I don't hate anyone. I think Labour form Blair onwards have been terrible for the country and I fundamentally disagree with the majority of theor political outlook. I don't hate them I'd just prefer they weren't in power and I don't think many posters on here who really do hate the conservative party have been particularly objective about the many fuck ups since they came to power.

I'm not sure you're the best person to judge given you don't think Huw Edwards did much wrong.

Prior to being appointed the bloke was leaking private information to someone with links to the Russians and God knows who else! At the very least he was appointed when Starmer knew he continued to have a relationship with a paedophile after he had been to prison. That on its own is scandalous enough even if nothing else comes out.

It's the biggest UK political scandal in decades and may well cause the leader to be removed. I'd say that is worthy of comment and a dash of derision at those who've spent the premiership so far playing down every terrible decision this government has made. Hardly pant wetting to discuss reality.

You seem a tad upset. We've had months and months of scandal and disappointment from this shambles of a government and we've had people on here consistently saying it's all a storm in a teacup, no big deal, voters don't care, you've been brainwashed by the right wing press if you're bothered and now it's always been obvious that Starmer needs to go. The fact we had loads of talking heads talking about adults back in the room, getting back to the sensible business of government and how nice the silence is is both tragic and hilarious given how action packed the last year and a half have been and not in a good way. If what you say is true and this ends up being his death knell then what an absolute cluster fuck of an administration to get themselves in this position with cratering approval rating s and no one trusting a word they say in a year and a half. I didn't think they'd be a good government but fuck me they've surpassed expectations on that score.

Boris is no longer in power. What is relevant now is the corruption being uncovered in the Labour Party which to my mind is even more hypocritical given that they sold themselves on being different. Boris never tried to hide the fact that he was a massive throbbing bellend.

@whelkdo you agree with this assessment?

It would be more self righteous and vociferous. They'd be calling for him to step down, saying that his government is mired in sleaze and corruption and saying there should be a general election.

Imagine what the opposition would be saying if this were Boris Johnson embroiled in this.

No idea if this is true or not but if it is then undoubtedly more to come

Indeed. He's now admitted in parliament that he knew that Mandelson continued to have a relationship with Epstein after he'd gone to prison for being a paedophile and he still considered it appropriate to hire him. Not sure how he survives this one.

I just saying it's theoretically possible! Fair to say those who voted Labour have been rather burnt including my father.

Whilst I agree it won't matter so much come the election if they sort cost of living, you have to admit the amount of scandal and crises has been ridiculous. Anyone can love Starmer but it's undeniable he has terrible judgement and no political instincts.