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The legitimate concerns of the native population are routinely dismissed by the media and sometimes members of the Labour Party as those held by the far right and hooligans. It's one reason why nothing has been done and immigration continues to rise.

I think it's reasonable to have a problem with some immigrants. I think we should be doing more to make Britain more of a hostile place for illegal immigration. Arguably you could make legal immigration easier and illegal immigration tougher to discourage it. My issue isn't with immigration, it's that we have no control over people coming in and the inherent unfairness of mainly young men coming on boats and effectively jumping the queue.

I agree with your last bit. Regarding your first bit, I think there's a reasonable debate to be had about Islam- though not necessarily relevant to this case. At the very least a significant number of people interpret Islam in a manner which is very difficult to integrate with western liberal society.

No problem. I'd prefer to deal with facts. So called preferred pronouns will often put you in a position where you have to lie by saying something that you know to be untrue. If I decided to put a dress on I shouldn't then expect everyone in society to refer to me as she and a woman just as an anorexic person shouldn't expect everyone to call them fat just because it might affirm the image they have about themselves. If I met someone on a personal level then out of courtesy I may refer to them as he or she depending on the situation but when dealing with important issues like sport it is important to be particularly precise and clear about definitions and muddying the waters doesn't help and ends up with biological men beating up women and calling it sport.

Of course. If good enough Khalif should be competing with other biological men. No other biological men will be at a sporting disadvantage. Not sure why this is difficult.

That isn't what I meant by the narrative. From some, it is that anyone who has a problem with the levels of immigration is a far right hooligan. There are genuine issues and there are a bunch of scumbags looking for trouble. That does not mean that all those who have a problem with immigration are the latter.

We aren't signing Ramsdale. If we managed to get him it would be on loan.

A person with XY chromosones is biologically male. Interesting video about Emily Quinn. Emily Quinn looks and presents as a female but has a disorder so they are still biologically male and should not be competing in the womens category at the Olympic games either. Beyond that they should be treated fairly as everyone else. Someone could present as a female but it doesn't change their biology. Quite basic stuff. I don't use preferred pronouns as they are a nonsense invention. How many sexes are there?

It wasn't the logic of the latest female opponent. Anyway, I'm not sure why it matters if Khalif's opponents or a pundit considers Khalif to not be a cheat or not. If Khalif is biologically male and receives the advantages from that- which it seems that Khalif does- then they shouldn't be competing in the womans category at the Olympics. What Khalif's opponents think or if they are or are not a cheat is an irrelevance.

Again, being an average biologically male boxer that gets beaten by women doesn't mean that they should then be allowed to compete with biological females. I don't follow Bunce's logic. He seems to be saying that Khalif isn't a cheat because they don't punch hard. That doesn't mean they aren't gaining an unfair advantage from their male biology and high testosterone levels. Khalif looking like a woman -slightly anyway- doesn't make someone a woman. Certainly not for the purposes of sport anyway and particularly a dangerous sport like boxing. On a separate note- what evidence do we have here that Khalif only has female genitalia?

If they have a cervix. Quite likely they have a micropenis too. Unfortunately a tiny minority of people have a DSD condition and they need to be sensitively handled but if they are biologically male with all the advantages that that gives them including raised testosterone levels then they can't compete with women. It's not that complicated.

Exactly which is why it was an idiotic thing to do which only serves to undermine the legitimate grievances that people have and allows Labour to change the narrative to be about problems of the far right.

Of course we need to be sensitive to these individuals. It certainly isn't their fault. That's not the same thing as having a debate though. Khlaif was banned due to unacceptably high levels of testosterone because Khalif is a man. How many times they have been beaten isn't particularly relevant. A mediocre man could get frequently beaten by a world class woman but it still doesn't mean they should be competing with them. What debate are you saying needs to be had?

And I agree with that too. The problem is we knew the narrative from Labour and the media so kicking off for no reason and attacking a mosque is just going to play into that narrative. Seems an idiotic thing to do from a strategic point of view and they don't even have a clear justification since it doesn't seem to be the case that the perpetrator of the crimes was anything to do with Islam.

What debate needs to happen? Khalif has XY chromosones and is biologically male. It may be the case that they have believed their whole life that they are a woman but sadly for Khalif they have DSD and should not be competing against women. Unfortunately if you are one of the tiny minority of people who have this condition then you can't compete in the female category at the olympics. They have my sympathy for their unfortunate circumstance but there really isn't any debate to be had.

I mean we aren't are we. I have a level of sympathy for some working class people who are forced to endure rising crime levels and antisocial behaviour as a result of loads of migrants being housed in their local area but I don't have any sympathy for thick people who go and smash up a small town or burn down a mosque. Everyone is just as shocked and disgusted about these girls being killed as anyone else but the vast majority of people aren't doing ridiculous things like that which will only serve to play into stereotypes of racist hooligans and not do anything to advance a cause which as I said they have at least some of a point worth listening to. It is true to say that we have a growing problem of high levels of illegal immigration that fosters resentment in the native population, particularly when events like this happen- I'm aware this individual is not an illegal immigrant himself but the point is still relevant. What we need is actual dialogue and a sensible plan to actually see lower numbers in order to ease tensions but as someone else said governments of any colour aren't prepared to do the unpalatable things necessary to begin to resolve things so the probems will continue and tensions will continue to rise. It's not a civil war though that's absurd.

All that's speculation at the moment isnt it. We don't know the extent of his ASD.

You realise that's at best 80 million? Even if Ramsdale is a loan?

At least she's not going to moan about the amount of time he spends at work.

I got a kiss from pinder and a signed football at a charity quiz at St Mary's many years ago. Admittedly it was on the cheek but it counts and Martin is now having my sloppy seconds. Enjoy Russ.

Hopefully he has more faith in himself. SAA has already been told that if he stays with us this year he will be backup and will have opportunities to maybe work his way into the team. That won't change with someone else coming in.

Disagree. Plenty of opportunities for lots of games for both players at this stage of their careers. We need a strong group of players not just a good starting 11. There's no sign that SAA and sibling are going to have their. Pathway blocked and actually a fair bit of evidence this preseason to suggest the opposite.

Bizarre comment. As I said previously, bringing in an established an experienced winger in SAA's position would make it less likely that he gets a game than if we bring this bloke in. Bringing in someone equally inexperienced would be seen by them as a good thing because they will be more likely to get on the pitch and compete with someone of similar age and experience.

No positive updates on any of them for ages. I was hoping for a bit of business this week beyond Diaz who we knew about a while ago.

It's felt like an age since we had a credible link. Come on saints pull your fingers out.