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So no suggestions then?

Well then not beyond the bounds of possibility that it would happen here then.

Not sure why we are having this discussion as no one said it was?

What punishment do you feel would have been acceptable?

Maybe go and visit the prison and let him know. I'm sure he'd appreciate the visit.

I don't want to see vigilante justice so I'd rather it didn't happen but I'm really not going to lose any sleep about it considering he was a serial paedophile. Honestly where are you hoping to go with this conversation?

Precisely. Pick a subject and soggy could start an argument about it.

Genuinely what the f*ck are you talking about? Where have I said that what happened was OK???? The ONLY thing I said was that there is an obvious reason why criminals in prison would treat adult sex offenders differently from kiddy fiddlers. I haven't given any opinion about the rights and wrongs of that treatment.

Who said there was? Do you make it a mission to be deliberately obtuse on every thread? Why do you think there might be a difference in the eyes of a criminal between someone who commits sexual crimes against an adult and someone who sexually abuses children?

Yeah I would have thought that was fairly obvious.

Many of the interviewees talk about a kill on sight policy between regular prisoners and paedophiles. Generally they are kept apart from other prisoners for this reason, housed in separate wings away from prisoners who haven't committed sexual crimes. Given that some of these people have spent decades inside UK prisons, I expect they know what they are talking about.

I feel really sorry for those protestors. All they were trying to do was disrupt the lives of ordinary working people by illegally jumping on trains. It's a small price to pay when billions will be dead in twenty years and all those horrible commuters could do is give them a good kicking.

No because criminals who have committed serious sexual assaults are generally kept segregated from other prisoners for precisely this reason. If you're genuinely interested and not just being a contrarian for the sake of it like you normally are, I'd suggest you watch some of the long form interviews conducted by Shaun Atwood: He interviews ex cons who have been in the prison system for many years and many of them outline this informal policy between the prisoners. Some fascinating insights there if you approach it with an open mind- so probably not your sort of thing.

He's still going on! Trying to pretend there is a big problem with racism in English football. There isn't, there's been giant improvements since the 80s, most incidents are confined to small pockets or loners and they are swiftly dealt with by way of hefty bans. It's no longer socially acceptable to throw bananas or make monkey noises at black players and thank goodness for that. You seem to be the only one harping on about this giant racism problem within English football. Like the sexism and homophobia you see everywhere its in your head mate like usual. I'm pretty sure this has been said by many many posters on here now and I'm not sure why you fail to understand it.

No one understands what you are saying. If a prisoner assaults someone in a jail is that a smaller or larger problem than a full scale riot breaking out? They are both violence but quite clearly one of them is more serious and requires a different sort of response. How are you finding this difficult to grasp? It's like talking to a child sometimes.

Pretty sure most prisons operate a kill on site policy between the prisoners for this sort of thing so it's hardly a surprise.

Who said it was acceptable? No one. But it's not the exact same thing which appears to be obvious to everyone except you

Where are the big gangs of fans shouting racist abuse from the stands in the Prem? Find the evidence. Find the same types of things happening in Bulgaria on the same scale in any professional UK football ground in the last decade. You won't find it because it doesn't exist. It won't stop moral crusaders like yourself from harping on about it but you have no evidence for your claims. You actually do a lot more harm than good because you inflate the issue rather than having a sensible conversation about the actual scale of the problem and ideas to solve it. But then everything in Britain is laced with racism, sexism, homophobia etc etc in your world isn't it.

It's ridiculous to pretend that a small handful of one or two shouting abuse at a black player in the UK- and subsequently handed long bans- is the same issue as orchestrated racist chanting, signals and drawings by hundreds for an entire match abroad. It suits your narrative to say its the same thing but all right minded people know it's a separate issue. Both should be dealt with but they aren't the same thing.

Hold on so according to soggy now simply acknowledging that racism is not something you will ever be able to eliminate in its entirety is something you cannot say because it makes racism acceptable? You couldn't make it up! He's desperate, absolutely desperate to pretend there's some huge racism problem at football grounds accross the UK that goes beyond a few isolated incidents of loners. He's even using racist Eastern Europeans to try back his bizarre arguments. Certifiably insane.

Well then that's an impossible demand. Its like trying to eliminate all racism from society. Unfortunately there are always going to be a handful of mindless racists in any cross section of society. All we can do in that circumstance is identify the trouble makers and issue them with long bans. Of course hundreds of people making monkey noises is a lot worse than one loner doing it because it points to a wider problem beyond just the handful that we see in the UK.

And just like that, weirdos like soggy try and push their "it's all the same" agenda. We don't have a racism problem in British football that is significantly higher than any other section of society and this doesn't manifest itself beyond isolated incidents which are normally dealt with by dishing out lifetime bans when proven. It doesn't matter how many times you try and equate the scenes we saw in Bulgaria with the behaviour of modern day England fans, they simply aren't equivalent. When we see maybe hundreds of black clad England fans in a stadium making monkey noises and doing nazi salutes then I'll concede that's the case but not before. It's very obvious that a culture of racism still exists in Eastern Europe, thankfully that isn't anywhere near the same scale in the UK. As someone mentioned earlier their governments cracking down on this sort of behaviour in wider society would be a start.

If I saw the same display by England fans at a game that I saw from the Bulgarians yesterday then I'd be calling for the exact same thing. We don't see that though, because it doesn't happen. Certainly not on anywhere near the same scale at all.

Beyond bizarre to say that in effect you can't condemn literal nazi salutes and monkey chants in the stadium because a minority of England fans have a **** up and engage in antisocial behaviour before games or sing ten German bombers.

Bizarre article. How is ten German bomber chants in any way comparable to what we just saw there from Bulgaria? Some England fans act like idiots abroad sure but let's not try and equate that with those shocking scenes.