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I'll take from that that you have no evidence that I said any such thing about a rape victim so I accept your apology. If you read the rest of the thread you would be well aware of why I would be pleased that justice seems to have been done. I'm happy about it because I don't like seeing individuals convicted of a crime when I'm not sure they have committed that crime (and who the person is is irrelevant in that.) of course it has the added benefit of making soggy look like a fool when he was calling anyone who thought an appeal would have a good chance of success a "rape apologist" so I'm also thankful in that respect too. I think when you get falsely smeared as a rape apologist or an advocate of Ched Evans' poor behaviour during the original conviction it's perfectly acceptable to talk about this once the conviction has been overturned.

That's complete and utter b*locks. Please find one example of where I've said anywhere that a rape victim is not a victim? I've said since the start of this that looking at the facts of the case, that the conviction didn't seem that strong and that an appeal had a good chance of succeeding. This is what has happened. Ched Evans is a bellend but he's also innocent in the eyes of the law for the rape offense. We can't start convicting people who have been found innocent just because he seems like not a great bloke, that's an absurd standard. All we can do is put our faith in the justice system which whilst flawed is currently the best system we have. The likes of soggy are quite happy to crow about how good the system is up until the point that it does something they disagree with politically and then it can't be trusted abd it's corrupt.

Did you hear clowns are racist now? It must be true they said it in the paper.

Ched Evans is not a convicted rapist, he has been found innocent of the charge. Ched Evans is a bit of a bellend. Those who thought the original verdict was a bit suspect and that an appeal had a good chance to succeed have been proven right. Those people who shouted rape apologist or other insults at anyone who thought the original verdict was a bit suspect have not only been found to be wrong, but have embarrassed themselves and would probably be respected more if they stayed quiet on the matter. Questioning the original verdict based on the facts of the case does not equal "supporting" Ched Evan's actions. It is possible to be critical of the man's actions whilst being glad that justice seems to have been served and that he has been found innocent of a crime that there was not enough evidence to say beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed.

Let's just remind ourselves of the facts in this case now that soggy is trying to suggest the justice system has been conned by Ched Evans buying witnesses to hoodwink a jury.

Yeah interesting isn't it. When Ched was found guilty there wasn't any room for thinking he may have a good chance at an appeal. You weren't allowed to think there were any flaws in this case because that made you a "rape apologist." Now he's found not guilty, suddenly the system is corrupt and its all just because he bought some new witnesses to make up evidence. Really makes you think.

Hold on are you suggesting that new evidence was falsified? That's a very serious accusation that I assume you have a lot of proof for? Questioning the original verdict based on the facts of the case does not equal "supporting" Ched Evan's actions. It is possible to be critical of the man's actions whilst being glad that justice seems to have been served and that he has been found innocent of a crime that there was not enough evidence to say beyond a reasonable doubt that he committed.

I'd rather have sturrock or the Dutch clowns than pellegrino in charge- some of those performances during that period I've never seen us play with what appeared to be zero gameplan. I'd be happy to say that pellegrino was the worst manager we have had in my lifetime and I've been alive quite a while now! Hughes was quite frankly rubbish this year but he did keep us up last season so he probably earnt his money imo.

In soggy's mind he's bought justice because he's a high profile white straight male who acted very poorly with a woman. Despite the fact he's been found not guilty of the crime, he's still somehow guilty in soggy's mind because of who he is. We might as well apply that logic to every criminal case and just not bother with court cases and the concept of guilt and innocence. Let's just let soggy decide who is guilty even if they are found not guilty in court.

Really pleased for him. Some of the dinlos writing him off on here based on a loan spell at a basket case of a club (reading) need to have a look at themselves.

That red bull bloke we've been linked with for sure

They really didn't.

Well said.

And in the scenario you just outlined we would only need 4 points...

We should but when people rightly thought Ched would have a good chance with an appeal, soggy was screaming at them calling anyone who thought that a rape apologist.

Not sacking pellegrino before the January transfer window almost got us relegated and is pretty unforgivable imo.

It contrasts with the manager who is very straight talking and actually answers questions. I hope whoever we get in now will actually be worth listening to.

Well I'm just pleased we won't have to endure any more of those interviews.

Thank goodness they were able get the courts to consider new evidence that meant that he was found not guilty of the crime. I'm sure the courts are also satisfied considering they are all about the pursuit of justice and this shows that his original conviction was clearly unjust. I assume you will also have peace of mind to know that the courts are willing to overturn convictions if additional evidence comes to light that casts doubt on the original conviction. Thank goodness we have a court system that operates this way regardless of race, gender etc.

I'd say you would be pretty justified to moan about the owner and many of the players over the last few years.

Anyone who doesn't think there is something supremely dodgy with our ownership and the lack of communication is deluded. We will see the issues if we ever do get relegated but people don't care as long as the gravy train keeps on rolling

Indeed he can! Looks like even more egg on your face over this matter. New stuff just keeps popping up every few months to make you look even more foolish. Oh dear oh dear oh dear... Maybe you'll reconsider rushing to condemnation and calling those with legitimate concerns "rape apologists" the next time something like this happens simply because the accused person is a white man? Or knowing you probably not.

Good bloke except for wheb he was hitting on my sister! I'm still a fan though

Thanks for the context, I did imagine there was more to the story than the headline.

Not an individual club but when I think it was Chris Powell was sacked a few years ago, the association of black lawyers bloke was all over it saying how racist football was because they had less black managers.