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Again though, just because some nutters purport to do something in the name of Islam does not mean it is an Islamic incident. It simply means that there are a number willing to use Islam as a cover to commit their atrocities. I feel that we are going in circles here and I'm still unsure what your point is nor what solutions you are offering. If Islam is a religion practiced solely by nutters then what do you think should be done? What are the practical steps to take to reduce terrorist attacks in the West?

Yep. Just comes across as quite ignorant to be honest. I would be interested to know his experience with Muslims though.

A friend of mine is a Muslim and was born in this country. Her mum is English and her dad came to study here from Iraq in the seventies and then saddam took power and it was no longer safe for him to return home. Immediately after 9/11 she was 14. Her dad was thrown off a bus by a crowd because he looked like an Arab and was wearing a rucksack. She was shouted and sworn at in London and was told to say she was Indian if asked to avoid confrontation. Thoughts Sour Mash?

And that is entirely my experience too. It's weird though, it appears that those who agree with us are the people who have met or who know quite a few Muslims whereas those demonising them appear to have little or no relationships with them. Funny that!

Hold on, are you suggesting there are no positives to any sort of immigration to any country?

We've established your views, so what is your solution? Throw out the Muslims perhaps? Maybe a quota system? I reckon some sort of badge (possibly a yellow star) would be good so we can quickly ide tiny those who might be a danger to Western society.

yes I did! I literally said the reason it was a positive thing in the response. Do you need reading lessons?

I love the care and effort Minty took to craft an intelligent reply only for you to give your four word excuse for a response.

Erm I did explain why. I believe that multiculturalism is a good thing as long as everyone is of the mindset that they want to contribute to society and improve things for all. I welcome everyone to come to the west if they don't want to hurt others and have the skills and ideas to improve their lives and the lives of others. This includes people of all religions regardless of what they believe. I don't agree with radicals from any walk of life and I think every effort should be used to stop extremists wherever they may be. That doesn't mean I consider all of Islam to be an evil thing (or any religion). The movement of Muslim into many countries in the West is a positive thing in the same way that multiculturalism is a positive thing across society. In general it encourages creativity, promotes understanding across cultures and in general means that people can assimilate into a culture quite seamlessly. My view is formed from knowing many Muslims personally and having spoke to them about their faith that they believe passionately in but also about their deep love for the UK where they now live. Of course this is the view for the vast vast majority of Muslims. Where do you derive your contrary view from?

Many would die for their beliefs but even if that were wrong, you aren't suggesting that that one person on radio 5 is speaking for all muslims are you?

OK so you do believe that muslims living in the West is a bad thing. Apologies I thought your argument was slightly less xenophobic and borderline racist than that.

What do you mean by the growth of Islam? What does that entail in the West? Do you mean Muslims living in Europe? Are you suggesting that Muslims should not be here? If that isn't what you are suggesting then what do you mean? I see allowing people who want to contribute to society and to practice their beliefs safely to live in the West is a good thing. Thankfully the vast vast majority of Muslims do that and I an thankful for them and that I live in a country that gives people the freedom to believe what they like.

What do you mean by the growth of Islam? If you mean muslims living in the West then I have no problem with it at all. If you mean extremists being allowed to preach hate here then I agree they shouldn't be here.

Who said anything about fading away? I expect over a long period of time something else will come and take their place as has happened through all of human history. And it is a few nutters clearly unless you think it's a large percentage of the Muslim population (in case you are under that illusion, it isn't.)

Yep. How many radical islamists do you reckon there are as a percentage of Muslims on the earth?

I'm not solely blaming the West. They have to take their share of the blame though and it can't be denied that they have contributed to all this.

Clearly there has been a rise in this sort of thing since 9/11.

Bletch has done a much better job of answering your questions above. Why is it that 99% of Muslims are inspired by the teaching of Islam yet aren't going out to kill and murder? Could it perhaps be because Islam isn't actually telling people to go out and murder others at all and that the teaching has been perverted by a small minority for their own interests? Just a thought.

How do you consider Islam to be at fault? How should "Islam" change to stop this in your eyes?

Which just underlines the idiocy of those who think the actions of a tiny minority is the fault of the religion.

So you agree that All it proves is that there is currently a higher proportion of nutters misusing Islam as a front to kill and maim, and that suggesting that these instances is the fault of Islam ignores the vast vast majority of peaceful Muslims? Yes?

You've made this point a lot. All that proves is that there is currently a higher proportion of nutters misusing Islam as a front to kill and maim. That isn't the fault of the religion itself and ignores the 99% (who are the true followers of Islam) who don't go out to kill and murder others.

Everyone living in Le Mans are terrorist sympathisers unless they all come out and condemn this.

Thank goodness they did, otherwise we could have assumed that a billion muslims supported the attack. Phew.

What would you suggest as a solution?