Jimmy_D

Still feels like we should have won it...

Bloody Hell. As well as some of them being armed with guns and explosives, they had set up a gallows on Capitol grounds. Some of the rioters inside were carrying zip-tie cuffs.

Congratulations, you managed to derail the argument and then blame me for the argument being derailed. Nicely done. I take it you've got nothing left to argue then. Like I said, I don't think you'll find many allies in your quest to try and say the officer wasn't justified in shooting.

He didn't fire at a closed door, he fired at the first rioter to try and climb through the broken window. What makes you think the National Guard were anywhere near her when she got shot? (Not after, when they moved in to try and save her life, but when she got shot, surrounded by other rioters also trying to break the doors and windows)

I saw one video of one officer that did that. It doesn't mean it's not criminal trespass, it means he wasn't doing his job. I saw one report that he was a Trump supporter, although I'm not sure if that's been verified. If it was one of the officers you identified that shot her, from that door, that's the door to the upper gallery. Behind those officers were senators that were up there because of the COVID restrictions limiting numbers on the floor. They hadn't been evacuated because there was no alternate route they could evacuate them through. So that door was the last line of defence, hence the barricade and heavily armed presence at it. Also bear in mind that there had been reports of pipe-bombs being found. While she wasn't openly carrying a firearm, she was carrying a bag.

Look at buctootim's post at the bottom of the previous page. I think you might have a false impression of what happened, and that's influencing your opinion.

Bloody hell, maybe you really are just misinformed instead of disingenuous then. George Floyd wasn't shot, he was strangled by being knelt on the neck over the course of a few minutes. In any case, I never said she was armed, but she was certainly part of a group that included armed individuals. She had certainly committed a crime, she was trespassing, as well as breaking and entering, and was heading towards some of the most senior figures in US politics with unknown intentions. As for her being a veteran, that just means she should have known better. It certainly didn't affect in any way the officers decision, as he would have had no way of knowing that. I don't think you'll find too many allies if you're going to try and continue to suggest that shooting wasn't justified.

The Capitol was being overrun, she was part of a group of armed rioters, and they'd just broken through into the corridor leading to the vice-president's office. Just being outside too close to the Capitol building outside is grounds for an armed response, especially when the entire House and the entire Senate is there. Trying to compare her being shot in those circumstances to what happened to George Floyd is utterly disingenuous. What happened to her is tragic, but no-one should be surprised that her actions caused that response. It's a miracle she was the only one that was shot. If anything her blood is more on Trump's hands than the poor officer that shot her.

Twitter have locked his account, and reportedly his staff are preventing him from making any more press releases for the moment. It's possible we'll see the 25th Amendment actually invoked.

Twitter have actually deleted this and the video message now. Video also deleted from Facebook and YouTube.

Been reported that the woman that was shot has died. https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2021/01/06/dc-protests-trump-rally-live-updates/

I was reacting more to the fact it was more or less justifying the actions they'd taken so far. It was supposed to convince people to leave and it's more likely to have the opposite effect.

What the utter **** was that message from Trump!?

Trump apparently refusing to make a statement actually asking them to leave. He's complicit in this.

Bloody Hell. I'm watching it, but it doesn't seem real. It's literally the Capitol building overrun. People are flying the Confederate flag inside... It'll be a miracle if this gets resolved without anyone being killed. As it is there'll be people killed by COVID being spread by that crowd.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-strain-variant-vaccine-uk-cases-b1777708.html

Oh no, sorry to hear that Hope they all come through ok.

Vaccine development and procurement, we've done well with, at least so far. Also identification of variants of COVID, we've at least given everywhere else a chance of stopping the UK variant before it becomes established.

Sorry to hear that Turkish, hope he pulls through ok.

Just for the moment at least... we're back in the title race

Fantastic performance. Limited Liverpool to almost nothing in front of goal, despite their possession, and that without Vestergaard and Romeu. Diallo... could be an absolute gem we've found there! Credit to Valery who effectively killed most of Liverpool's momentum after he came on. Happy New Year SWF ^_^

GTFI!

Suspect it's partly a massive number of Liverpool fans rubbernecking as they don't allow match threads on RAWK.

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhh... What a goal that nearly was!

Whelp. Alamo time then 😕